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Really? I didn't invent it for browsers, I invented it for distributed file systems before the "World Wide Web" had even been invented. You might as well have a

by todd8 3y ago

Really? I didn't invent it for browsers, I invented it for distributed file systems before the "World Wide Web" had even been invented. You might as well have a talk with William Shockley or Vint Cerf.

hutzlibu 3y ago
Somewhat probably, don't take it serious. You did good.
- todd8 3y ago
  Thanks...I'm think I'm too sensitive about it since this comes up every f'ing time.
  - godelski 3y ago
    Not too sensitive. All of us get annoyed at things we have to constantly reiterate. At least that other user revealed their insanity after they kept talking. Literally explaining why you could never have known, despite claiming you should have "thought harder." Don't feel guilty, you're not the one with the evil idea. We should, of course think long (and sometimes evil), but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for. You did good and there's no problems with what you did.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      >Literally explaining why you could never have known, That's the entire point of coming from the future to the past with information unavailable. It's pretty much Time Travel 101 sci-fi trope. Rather than going back in time with sports scores and stock picks, I was putting it towards nerdy tech dev. Sheesh
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      "but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for." I mean, it depends. If you build a atomic bomb during a war (with unrestrained city bombing from all sides going on), don't act surprised if cities indeed will be nuked with it and people point the finger also towards you. But a general purpose lightweight distributed storage technology? Seriously no, then you can also blame hard drive producers for enabling tracking. We all want some websites to store temporary information on out computers. Otherwise we could not log in to anything for example. And that the default of the browsers is to allow any random website to store literally GBs of data on your computer without asking (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Storage_API/Storage_quotas_and_eviction_criteria https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Storage_API...) - then this is really the choice of ad financed browser developers - and the choice of the users to just accept that behavior (ignorance can also be a choice).
      - godelski 3y ago
        >> but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for. > I mean, it depends. If you build a atomic bomb during a war , don't act surprised if cities indeed will be nuked with it and people point the finger also towards you. You forgot the first part of the sentence you quoted. >> We should, of course, think long (and sometimes evil) My intention is to say that you can't do an exhaustive search and it shouldn't be expected. What's obvious to some isn't to others. This doesn't mean we can just go along without concern for morals. As scientists/researchers/inventors/developers we must think ahead (and evil). But it is like viewing history from a modern lens. We have knowledge we didn't back then and judgement about intent should come from the view of the time. (This also doesn't mean we can't look back at history and see "normal" things that people did as horrific. These are different things)
dylan604 3y ago
Exactly. How could you have known it would be used for what's it's used for now. That's the entire point of the conversation someone from the future could tell you. Why is that unclear? Maybe you're assuming a negative conversation? There are many decisions in my life that if a future me or someone else could show me exactly how things will play out in ways not foreseen by me at the time, I'd be less hostile than you apparently are at the idea.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  This is such a ludicrous comment chain. The tone was clearly negative. You said you said you wanted to have a chat "about needing to envision longer term visions for how nefarious people can be".
  - dylan604 3y ago
    right, but it sounds to me as you are reading it as i'm calling the inventor of the cookie as nefarious. i'm suggesting having a conversation with the inventor about how nefarious people will use his invention.
    - oh_sigh 3y ago
      No, I'm not reading it like that. You clearly say that the inventor didn't think of nefarious people, not that he was one.
- spacechild1 3y ago
  What? His reply is just a natural reaction to the hostile and reproachful tone of your comment.
avgcorrection 3y ago
- I invented cookies. They’re my baby. - Why didn’t you have the foresight to predict that it could be used for what it is used for now? - Whoah there. Kind of out of left field. I had nothing to do with WWW cookies. ? Seems like you can just tell those friends that you invented the great-grandfather or the fifth cousin once removed on the uncle’s side to the modern cookie and be done with the conversation a lot quicker.

by todd8 3y ago

hutzlibu 3y ago

Somewhat probably, don't take it serious. You did good.

todd8 3y ago
Thanks...I'm think I'm too sensitive about it since this comes up every f'ing time.
- godelski 3y ago
  Not too sensitive. All of us get annoyed at things we have to constantly reiterate. At least that other user revealed their insanity after they kept talking. Literally explaining why you could never have known, despite claiming you should have "thought harder." Don't feel guilty, you're not the one with the evil idea. We should, of course think long (and sometimes evil), but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for. You did good and there's no problems with what you did.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    >Literally explaining why you could never have known, That's the entire point of coming from the future to the past with information unavailable. It's pretty much Time Travel 101 sci-fi trope. Rather than going back in time with sports scores and stock picks, I was putting it towards nerdy tech dev. Sheesh
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for." I mean, it depends. If you build a atomic bomb during a war (with unrestrained city bombing from all sides going on), don't act surprised if cities indeed will be nuked with it and people point the finger also towards you. But a general purpose lightweight distributed storage technology? Seriously no, then you can also blame hard drive producers for enabling tracking. We all want some websites to store temporary information on out computers. Otherwise we could not log in to anything for example. And that the default of the browsers is to allow any random website to store literally GBs of data on your computer without asking (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Storage_API/Storage_quotas_and_eviction_criteria https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Storage_API...) - then this is really the choice of ad financed browser developers - and the choice of the users to just accept that behavior (ignorance can also be a choice).
    - godelski 3y ago
      >> but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for. > I mean, it depends. If you build a atomic bomb during a war , don't act surprised if cities indeed will be nuked with it and people point the finger also towards you. You forgot the first part of the sentence you quoted. >> We should, of course, think long (and sometimes evil) My intention is to say that you can't do an exhaustive search and it shouldn't be expected. What's obvious to some isn't to others. This doesn't mean we can just go along without concern for morals. As scientists/researchers/inventors/developers we must think ahead (and evil). But it is like viewing history from a modern lens. We have knowledge we didn't back then and judgement about intent should come from the view of the time. (This also doesn't mean we can't look back at history and see "normal" things that people did as horrific. These are different things)

dylan604 3y ago

Exactly. How could you have known it would be used for what's it's used for now. That's the entire point of the conversation someone from the future could tell you. Why is that unclear? Maybe you're assuming a negative conversation? There are many decisions in my life that if a future me or someone else could show me exactly how things will play out in ways not foreseen by me at the time, I'd be less hostile than you apparently are at the idea.

oh_sigh 3y ago
This is such a ludicrous comment chain. The tone was clearly negative. You said you said you wanted to have a chat "about needing to envision longer term visions for how nefarious people can be".
- dylan604 3y ago
  right, but it sounds to me as you are reading it as i'm calling the inventor of the cookie as nefarious. i'm suggesting having a conversation with the inventor about how nefarious people will use his invention.
  - oh_sigh 3y ago
    No, I'm not reading it like that. You clearly say that the inventor didn't think of nefarious people, not that he was one.
spacechild1 3y ago
What? His reply is just a natural reaction to the hostile and reproachful tone of your comment.

avgcorrection 3y ago

- I invented cookies. They’re my baby. - Why didn’t you have the foresight to predict that it could be used for what it is used for now? - Whoah there. Kind of out of left field. I had nothing to do with WWW cookies. ? Seems like you can just tell those friends that you invented the great-grandfather or the fifth cousin once removed on the uncle’s side to the modern cookie and be done with the conversation a lot quicker.