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> and it is bad for everybody Hang on, it's not bad for me. If I visit your site, it's not because I want to participate in some kind of A/B testing (whose res

> and it is bad for everybody Hang on, it's not bad for me. If I visit your site, it's not because I want to participate in some kind of A/B testing (whose results you'll never tell me about). And if your site only works if I happen to have hardware X installed, you don't need analytics to tell you that your site is broken. > European companies need to bug all users and beg for cookies. That's nonsense. If cookies are needed for the correct operation of the site, then there's no need to beg or bug. So your banner should be saying: "Can I please set tracking cookies that make no difference at all to the correct operation of the site? [Accept] [Reject]". Then count the number that say Accept, note that the number is approximately zero, and then scrap the banner.

ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
If you paid for said site, sure. If you didn't pay, I'm not sure why you feel entitled to anything.
pie_flavor 3y ago
> If I visit your site, it's not because I want to participate in some kind of A/B testing Nobody wants to be part of the A/B testing; everyone wants the polished product that's the result of A/B testing. > And if your site only works if I happen to have hardware X installed, you don't need analytics to tell you that your site is broken. What? Yes you do, or something similar. > If cookies are needed for the correct operation of the site, then there's no need to beg or bug. Strictly needed. Suppose I have a dark theme slider, or a language selector, for users who don't want me to follow their OS's settings (or can't or don't know how to change their OS's settings). That's a nonessential cookie which requires the banner. And if you disagree, your opinion is not worth a lawsuit; the only way to be sure that your use of cookies is limited to those strictly necessary is hire a very expensive european consultant.
- xigoi 3y ago
  > everyone wants the polished product that's the result of A/B testing. I'd prefer a polished product that's the result of communicating with users.
- layer8 3y ago
  A/B testing is the reason why websites get “optimized” for the wrong target values, typically “engagement”. It’s what drives the enshittification of the web. It’s not what users want.

ApolloFortyNine 3y ago

If you paid for said site, sure. If you didn't pay, I'm not sure why you feel entitled to anything.

pie_flavor 3y ago

> If I visit your site, it's not because I want to participate in some kind of A/B testing Nobody wants to be part of the A/B testing; everyone wants the polished product that's the result of A/B testing. > And if your site only works if I happen to have hardware X installed, you don't need analytics to tell you that your site is broken. What? Yes you do, or something similar. > If cookies are needed for the correct operation of the site, then there's no need to beg or bug. Strictly needed. Suppose I have a dark theme slider, or a language selector, for users who don't want me to follow their OS's settings (or can't or don't know how to change their OS's settings). That's a nonessential cookie which requires the banner. And if you disagree, your opinion is not worth a lawsuit; the only way to be sure that your use of cookies is limited to those strictly necessary is hire a very expensive european consultant.

xigoi 3y ago
> everyone wants the polished product that's the result of A/B testing. I'd prefer a polished product that's the result of communicating with users.
layer8 3y ago
A/B testing is the reason why websites get “optimized” for the wrong target values, typically “engagement”. It’s what drives the enshittification of the web. It’s not what users want.