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Now do Yemen, Iraq (first and second time), Pakistan, Libya and Syria. Then do Vietnam, then consider the support and armament of Israel and finish up with deca

Now do Yemen, Iraq (first and second time), Pakistan, Libya and Syria. Then do Vietnam, then consider the support and armament of Israel and finish up with decades of CIA meddling and installation of brutal dictatorships all around the globe.

ceejayoz 3y ago
Now do Ukraine. What about US actions elsewhere makes Russia's invasion moral?
- willcipriano 3y ago
  We have politicians here that voted in favor of those war crimes, demanding that Russians are punished for theirs. Let's start at home if war crimes are something we care about if not we can shut our hypocrite mouths.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    "the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: 'theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron'" - https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312 https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Worlds most obese man calls women fat.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        So? Can't that be accurate? The end of the Nazis and the Holocaust doesn't become a bad thing just because the Soviets were involved. Helping Ukraine resist a clear war of aggression doesn't become a bad thing just because the US is part of that helping. Hell, it's nice to see most of the world chip in on a more morally black-and-white scenario than is typical over the last 70 years. If you think Russia and the US are on equal moral footing with regards to the Ukraine question, you're the @dril tweet.
        willcipriano 3y ago
        It can be accurate but she is also totally within her rights to not listen to him. Do as I say not as I do has never been effective. If we want less war we need to set an example not raise the share price of our private defence contractors at the expense of civilians while wagging our finger. Also the powers that be in the US want a war in Ukraine as much as Putin does. Probably moreso. They are selling a lot of killing machines.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > It can be accurate but she is also totally within her rights to not listen to him. She might not be wise to. An obese doctor advising an obese patient to lose weight because of health problems still has a potentially valid point. The obese doctor might even have more useful perspective than another doctor on the issue. > If we want less war we need to set an example... I'm pretty sure that's what we're doing in Ukraine. China certainly would be wise to consider what a Taiwan invasion would look like if the US and allies decided to assist in a similar fashion. > Also the powers that be in the US want a war in Ukraine as much as Putin does. Probably moreso. They are selling a lot of killing machines. Sure. Ted Bundy and I both like to eat; that doesn't automatically make eating bad. This is precisely why we have to evaluate the actual specific scenario in question on its merits.
        willcipriano 3y ago
        > I'm pretty sure that's what we're doing in Ukraine. If we wanted to set an example we would declare war on Russia. Instead we send billions of dollars into a the unaccountable void that is the most corrupt country in Europe.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > If we wanted to set an example we would declare war on Russia. This is not an argument made in good faith.
        3y ago

ceejayoz 3y ago

Now do Ukraine. What about US actions elsewhere makes Russia's invasion moral?

willcipriano 3y ago
We have politicians here that voted in favor of those war crimes, demanding that Russians are punished for theirs. Let's start at home if war crimes are something we care about if not we can shut our hypocrite mouths.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  "the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: 'theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron'" - https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312 https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Worlds most obese man calls women fat.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      So? Can't that be accurate? The end of the Nazis and the Holocaust doesn't become a bad thing just because the Soviets were involved. Helping Ukraine resist a clear war of aggression doesn't become a bad thing just because the US is part of that helping. Hell, it's nice to see most of the world chip in on a more morally black-and-white scenario than is typical over the last 70 years. If you think Russia and the US are on equal moral footing with regards to the Ukraine question, you're the @dril tweet.
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        It can be accurate but she is also totally within her rights to not listen to him. Do as I say not as I do has never been effective. If we want less war we need to set an example not raise the share price of our private defence contractors at the expense of civilians while wagging our finger. Also the powers that be in the US want a war in Ukraine as much as Putin does. Probably moreso. They are selling a lot of killing machines.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > It can be accurate but she is also totally within her rights to not listen to him. She might not be wise to. An obese doctor advising an obese patient to lose weight because of health problems still has a potentially valid point. The obese doctor might even have more useful perspective than another doctor on the issue. > If we want less war we need to set an example... I'm pretty sure that's what we're doing in Ukraine. China certainly would be wise to consider what a Taiwan invasion would look like if the US and allies decided to assist in a similar fashion. > Also the powers that be in the US want a war in Ukraine as much as Putin does. Probably moreso. They are selling a lot of killing machines. Sure. Ted Bundy and I both like to eat; that doesn't automatically make eating bad. This is precisely why we have to evaluate the actual specific scenario in question on its merits.
        willcipriano 3y ago
        > I'm pretty sure that's what we're doing in Ukraine. If we wanted to set an example we would declare war on Russia. Instead we send billions of dollars into a the unaccountable void that is the most corrupt country in Europe.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > If we wanted to set an example we would declare war on Russia. This is not an argument made in good faith.
        3y ago