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>I'm Italian and living in UK (for my sins), so I think I can see more than one facet of the argument. Great then, let's talk about the south of Italy and it's

>I'm Italian and living in UK (for my sins), so I think I can see more than one facet of the argument. Great then, let's talk about the south of Italy and it's development. Everyone from the south of Italy I met in Europe said they'd rather be expats in EU than in the North of Italy thanks to they way the north treat them. That's how Eastern Europeans feel in the EU sometimes. People don't like to be treated as second class citizens. >It just so happens that Eastern countries receive disproportionate amounts because of the state they found themselves in after the end of the Soviet Bloc. Kind of like the solidarity of the post-WW2 Marshall plan Italy received after siding with the Nazis? Is it equally disproportionate, more, or less? >Sadly, the largest recipients seem to avoid expressing any solidarity back in other areas. What kind of solidarity are you thinking of receiving? Are the the minimum wage slaves from Eastern Europe working in Italian and German nursing homes and agriculture fields working in conditions below legal norms for wages below the minimum in order to keep the nursing system and cheap supermarket prices afloat, enough to balance the books?

toyg 3y ago
> People don't like to be treated as second class citizens. Don't come to me, an European in Brexit Britain, hailing from a country with one of the largest and most-enduring economic diasporas in the world, to talk about the condition of migrants or second-class "feelings". The stuff you mention is largely bullshit and jokes. There has been no discrimination of Southern Italians since the late '80s, when African migrants became the (easier) target for that sort of treatment. Whereas I'm now on a fucking register and I can lose all my rights with the stroke of a pen by some populist asshole. I swear, EU27 folks don't know how good they have it. > Is it equally disproportionate, more, or less? The Marshall Plan lasted 3 years, Italy got around a billion USD. Over 20 years, Eastern Europe likely got several multiples of that - Poland alone received 11bn per year not long ago, so even adjusting for inflation the Eastern bloc is probably way ahead by now. > What kind of solidarity are you thinking of receiving? Help with migratory flows and refugees resettlement, to balance demographic pressures. Help with stemming tax evasion (I'm looking at you, Slovenia). Help that costs little and would benefit everyone in the long run.

toyg 3y ago

> People don't like to be treated as second class citizens. Don't come to me, an European in Brexit Britain, hailing from a country with one of the largest and most-enduring economic diasporas in the world, to talk about the condition of migrants or second-class "feelings". The stuff you mention is largely bullshit and jokes. There has been no discrimination of Southern Italians since the late '80s, when African migrants became the (easier) target for that sort of treatment. Whereas I'm now on a fucking register and I can lose all my rights with the stroke of a pen by some populist asshole. I swear, EU27 folks don't know how good they have it. > Is it equally disproportionate, more, or less? The Marshall Plan lasted 3 years, Italy got around a billion USD. Over 20 years, Eastern Europe likely got several multiples of that - Poland alone received 11bn per year not long ago, so even adjusting for inflation the Eastern bloc is probably way ahead by now. > What kind of solidarity are you thinking of receiving? Help with migratory flows and refugees resettlement, to balance demographic pressures. Help with stemming tax evasion (I'm looking at you, Slovenia). Help that costs little and would benefit everyone in the long run.