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> No one is saying that China can't be an adversary. I think anyone who says they aren't is lying to themselves. This is a far bigger trend than just some fox

> No one is saying that China can't be an adversary. I think anyone who says they aren't is lying to themselves. This is a far bigger trend than just some fox News viewers. Opposition to China has become bilateral and is very well supported by most in America. You can only spend so long pretending to be a friend while also opposing the United States in basically every possible way until the United States wakes up and calls the quacking thing a duck. Seeing reality, we are burning bridges. TikTok is one of those bridges. The chip export bans are another. Expect them to continue until China's trade with America resembles our trade with the soviets in the 80s.

woooooo 3y ago
They're mostly the same country they were 10 years ago. Compare the media coverage then and now -- they didn't change, we just ran out of war on terror and needed a new enemy.
- bioemerl 3y ago
  > They're mostly the same country they were 10 years ago. Oh, I strongly agree with you there. This was obvious in 2013 as well. Xi and his arrogant actions on the world stage have been a big help in creating opposition though.
- algoatecorn 3y ago
  Then don't compare the media coverage. Instead look at the actions of both countries. Read proposed legislation from US lawmakers going back almost two decades addressing the game theory between both nations. Read about the rampant IP theft that China has committed over the years, particularly in US-tax funded institutions. The US is simply planning ahead and severing ties which have kept us in a compromised position. Sure, maybe some people are warhawking but most of the concerned people are focused on trade dependence and worried that China will take over Tiawan's production as a last resort. Is that an unreasonable view? What happens if they do decide to do that? Just let them do it?

woooooo 3y ago

They're mostly the same country they were 10 years ago. Compare the media coverage then and now -- they didn't change, we just ran out of war on terror and needed a new enemy.

bioemerl 3y ago
> They're mostly the same country they were 10 years ago. Oh, I strongly agree with you there. This was obvious in 2013 as well. Xi and his arrogant actions on the world stage have been a big help in creating opposition though.
algoatecorn 3y ago
Then don't compare the media coverage. Instead look at the actions of both countries. Read proposed legislation from US lawmakers going back almost two decades addressing the game theory between both nations. Read about the rampant IP theft that China has committed over the years, particularly in US-tax funded institutions. The US is simply planning ahead and severing ties which have kept us in a compromised position. Sure, maybe some people are warhawking but most of the concerned people are focused on trade dependence and worried that China will take over Tiawan's production as a last resort. Is that an unreasonable view? What happens if they do decide to do that? Just let them do it?