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It's predictable that it's coming from a conservative state. That they are broadly against using state power to ban things is part of their identity and marketi

It's predictable that it's coming from a conservative state. That they are broadly against using state power to ban things is part of their identity and marketing but not reality. Especially when it can be construed as a social-moral problem.

asynchronous 3y ago
Yeah nothing like banning people from going to restaurants without a state issued vaccine pass (we didn’t forget)
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  I didn't claim no other groups use state power to ban things. I'm pointing out that the idea that conservatives are uniquely and generally opposed to it is fantasy.
  - asynchronous 3y ago
    On that we can wholeheartedly agree.
- jameshart 3y ago
  I got my vaccine certificate from CVS. the state had very little to do with it.
  - bmarquez 3y ago
    The State of California automatically issued digital vaccine certificates. Basically QR codes that could be read by a business with the appropriate hardware. https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/ https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
    - piperswe 3y ago
      The state offered them, but they weren't the only way to get one. Any SMART compliant digital card (which most major healthcare providers and chain pharmacies provide) will pass verification anywhere a CA state one would.
- nkjnlknlk 3y ago
  Which part is not real? The vaccinations? Their effect on spread? Their effect on symptoms?
claytongulick 3y ago
Or, in other words, all "conservatives" don't necessarily agree on or believe the same things, and this varies by person and by region. Like any political group, there's a wide variety of ideas. Religious right folks get lumped together with constitutional libertarians, but have very, very different ideas on the proper limits of legislation and government power. And yes, there are both idiots and brilliant thinkers in the Republican party (which !== 'conservative'). There are very good ideas, and abominably stupid ones. Much like any group of humans.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  I'm not speaking about the validity of their ideas or the cohesion of their group identity. Just pointing out that their reputation as being universally against top-down bans is not based on their actions when given the capacity to enact top-down bans.
- Volundr 3y ago
  I think there is still value in pointing out that the Republican party line of individual liberties and small government is nothing but marketing jingle. When it comes down to brass tacks they are as quick to use the government to crack down on an individuals choices as the other guys.
  - claytongulick 3y ago
    You mean a political party has talking points that they don't always live up to? Next you'll tell me that there have been presidents that haven't lived up to their campaign promises...
llanowarelves 3y ago
They probably also see States Rights (the philosophy, not necessarily a legal interpretation) as opposite Federal power. States rights isn't just for social-moral topics such as marijuana and immigration. We should have expected it to be used for other things as has historically been the case. California et al just had a slight lead.

asynchronous 3y ago

Yeah nothing like banning people from going to restaurants without a state issued vaccine pass (we didn’t forget)

giraffe_lady 3y ago
I didn't claim no other groups use state power to ban things. I'm pointing out that the idea that conservatives are uniquely and generally opposed to it is fantasy.
- asynchronous 3y ago
  On that we can wholeheartedly agree.
jameshart 3y ago
I got my vaccine certificate from CVS. the state had very little to do with it.
- bmarquez 3y ago
  The State of California automatically issued digital vaccine certificates. Basically QR codes that could be read by a business with the appropriate hardware. https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/ https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
  - piperswe 3y ago
    The state offered them, but they weren't the only way to get one. Any SMART compliant digital card (which most major healthcare providers and chain pharmacies provide) will pass verification anywhere a CA state one would.
nkjnlknlk 3y ago
Which part is not real? The vaccinations? Their effect on spread? Their effect on symptoms?

claytongulick 3y ago

Or, in other words, all "conservatives" don't necessarily agree on or believe the same things, and this varies by person and by region. Like any political group, there's a wide variety of ideas. Religious right folks get lumped together with constitutional libertarians, but have very, very different ideas on the proper limits of legislation and government power. And yes, there are both idiots and brilliant thinkers in the Republican party (which !== 'conservative'). There are very good ideas, and abominably stupid ones. Much like any group of humans.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
I'm not speaking about the validity of their ideas or the cohesion of their group identity. Just pointing out that their reputation as being universally against top-down bans is not based on their actions when given the capacity to enact top-down bans.
Volundr 3y ago
I think there is still value in pointing out that the Republican party line of individual liberties and small government is nothing but marketing jingle. When it comes down to brass tacks they are as quick to use the government to crack down on an individuals choices as the other guys.
- claytongulick 3y ago
  You mean a political party has talking points that they don't always live up to? Next you'll tell me that there have been presidents that haven't lived up to their campaign promises...

llanowarelves 3y ago

They probably also see States Rights (the philosophy, not necessarily a legal interpretation) as opposite Federal power. States rights isn't just for social-moral topics such as marijuana and immigration. We should have expected it to be used for other things as has historically been the case. California et al just had a slight lead.