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Who says I'm obsessing about it? The comment made an exaggerated statement about the visual aspect of a video game on a community known for being sticklers for

Who says I'm obsessing about it? The comment made an exaggerated statement about the visual aspect of a video game on a community known for being sticklers for detail and spec because they're technical as a demographic, their jobs are also technical. You cannot bullshit this demographic and ass-pull subjective hot takes on something measurable. Address the point at hand, don't go off on some tirade about how much someone else loves it, that doesn't negate the fact that it runs very poorly on existing, released official hardware. Who says I'm complaining? You are projecting so much of your emotions onto what I had to say and completely ignoring what I'm responding to. It's a fact. A fact is not a complaint, it's an observation and measurable spec. Are scientists just obsessing? > No gambling mechanics So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-gameplay-zonai-1850378276 https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g...

JohnBooty 3y ago
>> No gambling mechanics > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? I am certain that the parent poster was referring to the toxic microtransaction "loot box" style of in-game "gambling" that involves real world currency. Unless I am extremely mistaken, that is not what's going on in TOTK.
Shared404 3y ago
> So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g... Even those mechanics barely qualify as gambling imo. When you find one of the dispensers, if you throw 5 charges in you'll get several of everything in the dispenser. The charges are easy enough to get that the only time I've _not_ thrown in 5 is in the tutorial where they tell you how to use it.
kibwen 3y ago
There are no gacha mechanics in this game. There is a mechanic where you throw some dropped monster parts into a device in order to receive random building materials, but monster parts and device parts are already abundant, drop rates are basically equal for all parts, and, most crucially, there's no way to spend real money on any of this. It's not there to facilitate gambling, it's there to incentivize creativity in your builds by giving you parts that you might not otherwise go out of your way to acquire or use.
mrguyorama 3y ago
The Minish cap had a gacha machine, it was cute. The important part is you can't use real money on it, which means it HAS to be designed as an actual in game reward. Nintendo's actual microtransaction garbage is the amiibos, which are shameless and often explicitly pay to win.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  Minish Cap was 2004 before we had a better understanding of what is and is not a good thing to expose people to. Pokemon Masters is literally a gacha game. The Nintendo theme park will probably have gachapon machines in it now kids are softening to the mechanism of it.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    It's hard to imagine a Japanese theme park without gachapon machines...
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    But this game doesn't Which is what you were asserting. Gambling with fake money is a lot more fun to non-addicts than real gambling, especially because the system is usually rigged in your favor so you enjoy it instead of optimizing for tickling a broken reward system in your brain so you give a billion dollar corporation every dollar you have. As others have stated, those machines are designed to give you the stuff, not to take your resources. That's not gacha.
  - rideontime 3y ago
    It's so weird that this commenter seems to understand what a "gacha game" is while, in the same breath, claiming that Minish Cap is one.
tm-guimaraes 3y ago
> So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? No money involved. It's as much gambling as going to random.org and guess a random invocation. It's as much gambling as random encuonters on JRPGs, or quest/mission rewards, or really anything else in gaming with random chance. Is catching a pokemon in any pokemon game a gacha mechanic? You use a pokeball and might or might not get the pokemon. What about any game ability with a miss chance or a critical hit chance? D&D is peak gacha. Really, it's just "drop some common stuff and get some random util back" Gaming nowadays is full of "games" that are actually just live services trying to extract as much money as possible from you. This mechanic is completely unrelated. Your comment seems an over reaction from someone that never actually tried the game, or doesn't know how bad current big budget or mobile games are.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  TotK's in-game mechanic literally operates like a gachapon machine. You insert something (a facsimile of a coin), out comes a capsule with something random in it. Softening kids to the mechanics of gacha isn't good. Furthermore, you completely dismissed the rest of my comment and what I was responding to. Pokemon Masters is definitely a gacha game, so maybe there's a progression there in terms of where this is heading. In the spirit of gambling, I bet you fifty bucks that the Nintendo theme park has gachapon machines with capsule toys in.
  - Kiro 3y ago
    Nice way of completely invalidating all your arguments in this thread. I hope this will be a lesson for you next time you go on a toxic and obnoxious rampage. Anyway, time to go back to the most beautiful game I've ever played. A game that looks fantastic.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      What toxic and obnoxious rampage? Educate me about this lesson, o enlightened one.
  - minimaxir 3y ago
jerf 3y ago
I hate it when people just cut off quotes and then proceed to argue based on that, so I will not be engaging with you any further as you are arguing in bad faith. The words after "gambling mechanics" are not incidental flourishes that could just be cut off.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  And yet that's exactly what you did to me; ignored the majority of my comment to hone in on one little thing and go off at a complete tangent to what the rest of the discussion is about. Have a good day and enjoy the average performing modern AAA title.

JohnBooty 3y ago

>> No gambling mechanics > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? I am certain that the parent poster was referring to the toxic microtransaction "loot box" style of in-game "gambling" that involves real world currency. Unless I am extremely mistaken, that is not what's going on in TOTK.

Shared404 3y ago

> So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g... Even those mechanics barely qualify as gambling imo. When you find one of the dispensers, if you throw 5 charges in you'll get several of everything in the dispenser. The charges are easy enough to get that the only time I've _not_ thrown in 5 is in the tutorial where they tell you how to use it.

kibwen 3y ago

There are no gacha mechanics in this game. There is a mechanic where you throw some dropped monster parts into a device in order to receive random building materials, but monster parts and device parts are already abundant, drop rates are basically equal for all parts, and, most crucially, there's no way to spend real money on any of this. It's not there to facilitate gambling, it's there to incentivize creativity in your builds by giving you parts that you might not otherwise go out of your way to acquire or use.

mrguyorama 3y ago

The Minish cap had a gacha machine, it was cute. The important part is you can't use real money on it, which means it HAS to be designed as an actual in game reward. Nintendo's actual microtransaction garbage is the amiibos, which are shameless and often explicitly pay to win.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
Minish Cap was 2004 before we had a better understanding of what is and is not a good thing to expose people to. Pokemon Masters is literally a gacha game. The Nintendo theme park will probably have gachapon machines in it now kids are softening to the mechanism of it.
- skyyler 3y ago
  It's hard to imagine a Japanese theme park without gachapon machines...
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  But this game doesn't Which is what you were asserting. Gambling with fake money is a lot more fun to non-addicts than real gambling, especially because the system is usually rigged in your favor so you enjoy it instead of optimizing for tickling a broken reward system in your brain so you give a billion dollar corporation every dollar you have. As others have stated, those machines are designed to give you the stuff, not to take your resources. That's not gacha.
- rideontime 3y ago
  It's so weird that this commenter seems to understand what a "gacha game" is while, in the same breath, claiming that Minish Cap is one.

tm-guimaraes 3y ago

> So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? No money involved. It's as much gambling as going to random.org and guess a random invocation. It's as much gambling as random encuonters on JRPGs, or quest/mission rewards, or really anything else in gaming with random chance. Is catching a pokemon in any pokemon game a gacha mechanic? You use a pokeball and might or might not get the pokemon. What about any game ability with a miss chance or a critical hit chance? D&D is peak gacha. Really, it's just "drop some common stuff and get some random util back" Gaming nowadays is full of "games" that are actually just live services trying to extract as much money as possible from you. This mechanic is completely unrelated. Your comment seems an over reaction from someone that never actually tried the game, or doesn't know how bad current big budget or mobile games are.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
TotK's in-game mechanic literally operates like a gachapon machine. You insert something (a facsimile of a coin), out comes a capsule with something random in it. Softening kids to the mechanics of gacha isn't good. Furthermore, you completely dismissed the rest of my comment and what I was responding to. Pokemon Masters is definitely a gacha game, so maybe there's a progression there in terms of where this is heading. In the spirit of gambling, I bet you fifty bucks that the Nintendo theme park has gachapon machines with capsule toys in.
- Kiro 3y ago
  Nice way of completely invalidating all your arguments in this thread. I hope this will be a lesson for you next time you go on a toxic and obnoxious rampage. Anyway, time to go back to the most beautiful game I've ever played. A game that looks fantastic.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    What toxic and obnoxious rampage? Educate me about this lesson, o enlightened one.
- minimaxir 3y ago

jerf 3y ago

I hate it when people just cut off quotes and then proceed to argue based on that, so I will not be engaging with you any further as you are arguing in bad faith. The words after "gambling mechanics" are not incidental flourishes that could just be cut off.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
And yet that's exactly what you did to me; ignored the majority of my comment to hone in on one little thing and go off at a complete tangent to what the rest of the discussion is about. Have a good day and enjoy the average performing modern AAA title.