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+ optimization It looks fantastic for the compute budget

hammyhavoc 3y ago
30fps cap and drops to 20fps and below at times at 900p in docked mode on actual Switch hardware. Are we really calling that "fantastic"? It runs. Single digit fps at times when using ultrahand.
- notsound 3y ago
  Yes, considering it's still fun to play.
- eru 3y ago
  The art direction is strong.
- jerf 3y ago
  I mean, I hate to break it to you all, but all y'all obsessing about FPS are the minority. By a lot. While it has by no means killed the XBox or the Playstation line, I think they've obsessed over that segment of the market more than they should have to their own detriment, particularly due to the expense of keeping up with it. As a side effect it has also convinced that segment that they're bigger than they actually are. Most people don't care. My kids don't care. My kids were lined up with allowances and/or birthday money in hand on day one. They're loving it. I am too. It's not a skinner box designed to extract the rest of their money from them. It's a complete, quality product. No subscription pass. No seasons. No loot boxes for money. No gambling mechanics designed to secretly back to real world money. They made a good choice. I'm sympathetic. I care at least some; not obsessed but I do understand what you're getting at. And even that position + total obsessing is clearly in the minority. Nintendo knows what they're targeting, they hit it, and while you're complaining about the fps not being very good they're rolling in dough. I mean, if I had to choose between satisfying the fps obsessives and making more money than I even know what to do with, I know which I'd choose.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    Who says I'm obsessing about it? The comment made an exaggerated statement about the visual aspect of a video game on a community known for being sticklers for detail and spec because they're technical as a demographic, their jobs are also technical. You cannot bullshit this demographic and ass-pull subjective hot takes on something measurable. Address the point at hand, don't go off on some tirade about how much someone else loves it, that doesn't negate the fact that it runs very poorly on existing, released official hardware. Who says I'm complaining? You are projecting so much of your emotions onto what I had to say and completely ignoring what I'm responding to. It's a fact. A fact is not a complaint, it's an observation and measurable spec. Are scientists just obsessing? > No gambling mechanics So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-gameplay-zonai-1850378276 https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g...
    - JohnBooty 3y ago
      >> No gambling mechanics > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? I am certain that the parent poster was referring to the toxic microtransaction "loot box" style of in-game "gambling" that involves real world currency. Unless I am extremely mistaken, that is not what's going on in TOTK.
    - Shared404 3y ago
      > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g... Even those mechanics barely qualify as gambling imo. When you find one of the dispensers, if you throw 5 charges in you'll get several of everything in the dispenser. The charges are easy enough to get that the only time I've _not_ thrown in 5 is in the tutorial where they tell you how to use it.
    - kibwen 3y ago
      There are no gacha mechanics in this game. There is a mechanic where you throw some dropped monster parts into a device in order to receive random building materials, but monster parts and device parts are already abundant, drop rates are basically equal for all parts, and, most crucially, there's no way to spend real money on any of this. It's not there to facilitate gambling, it's there to incentivize creativity in your builds by giving you parts that you might not otherwise go out of your way to acquire or use.
- heyjamesknight 3y ago
  Yeah, there have been so many times during gameplay I've said "man, this crazy scenario I somehow concocted by tossing a lazer cannon glued to a fan into the middle of a group of bad guys sure is fun—but if it were just running at 10fps more I could really enjoy it." The game looks and plays great. Most people won't notice framerate. You don't have to either.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 The point addressed was the visuals, not how fun something is or is not.
    - avisser 3y ago
      Dude, someone said it looks fantastic, a purely subjective observation. And then you disagreed. It seems disingenuous for you to start disputing someone's logic.
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        Subjectivity versus objectivity. We can measure framerate and resolution, and for a 2023 title, it's really not ticking the boxes on what "fantastic" visuals are in modern gaming from AAA. The hardware struggles to run the game, let's be real. In typical Nintendo Zelda fashion, it will probably get released on next-gen hardware in the future and run a lot better. It's OK to say it is below expectations for the price point, publisher, developer, and competing product. It's just a performance spec.
    - Fricken 3y ago
      Every aspect of a video game is in the service of fun.
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        You might want to familiarize yourself with Skinnerian psychology and addiction versus fun.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Millions of games on the playstation and n64 were sold despite running at 12 fps, having horrific graphical artifacts (stupid texture mapping on the playstation, god awful smeary "filtering" on the n64), and everybody has fond memories of it, to the point that it's currently popular to emulate those artifacts. If you make an actually good game, people will cross broken glass to play it.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    This does not negate the statement made whatsoever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936
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30fps cap and drops to 20fps and below at times at 900p in docked mode on actual Switch hardware. Are we really calling that "fantastic"? It runs. Single digit fps at times when using ultrahand.

notsound 3y ago
Yes, considering it's still fun to play.
eru 3y ago
The art direction is strong.
jerf 3y ago
I mean, I hate to break it to you all, but all y'all obsessing about FPS are the minority. By a lot. While it has by no means killed the XBox or the Playstation line, I think they've obsessed over that segment of the market more than they should have to their own detriment, particularly due to the expense of keeping up with it. As a side effect it has also convinced that segment that they're bigger than they actually are. Most people don't care. My kids don't care. My kids were lined up with allowances and/or birthday money in hand on day one. They're loving it. I am too. It's not a skinner box designed to extract the rest of their money from them. It's a complete, quality product. No subscription pass. No seasons. No loot boxes for money. No gambling mechanics designed to secretly back to real world money. They made a good choice. I'm sympathetic. I care at least some; not obsessed but I do understand what you're getting at. And even that position + total obsessing is clearly in the minority. Nintendo knows what they're targeting, they hit it, and while you're complaining about the fps not being very good they're rolling in dough. I mean, if I had to choose between satisfying the fps obsessives and making more money than I even know what to do with, I know which I'd choose.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  Who says I'm obsessing about it? The comment made an exaggerated statement about the visual aspect of a video game on a community known for being sticklers for detail and spec because they're technical as a demographic, their jobs are also technical. You cannot bullshit this demographic and ass-pull subjective hot takes on something measurable. Address the point at hand, don't go off on some tirade about how much someone else loves it, that doesn't negate the fact that it runs very poorly on existing, released official hardware. Who says I'm complaining? You are projecting so much of your emotions onto what I had to say and completely ignoring what I'm responding to. It's a fact. A fact is not a complaint, it's an observation and measurable spec. Are scientists just obsessing? > No gambling mechanics So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-gameplay-zonai-1850378276 https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g...
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    >> No gambling mechanics > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? I am certain that the parent poster was referring to the toxic microtransaction "loot box" style of in-game "gambling" that involves real world currency. Unless I am extremely mistaken, that is not what's going on in TOTK.
  - Shared404 3y ago
    > So you're just going to ignore the gacha mechanics? https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-switch-gacha-g... Even those mechanics barely qualify as gambling imo. When you find one of the dispensers, if you throw 5 charges in you'll get several of everything in the dispenser. The charges are easy enough to get that the only time I've _not_ thrown in 5 is in the tutorial where they tell you how to use it.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    There are no gacha mechanics in this game. There is a mechanic where you throw some dropped monster parts into a device in order to receive random building materials, but monster parts and device parts are already abundant, drop rates are basically equal for all parts, and, most crucially, there's no way to spend real money on any of this. It's not there to facilitate gambling, it's there to incentivize creativity in your builds by giving you parts that you might not otherwise go out of your way to acquire or use.
heyjamesknight 3y ago
Yeah, there have been so many times during gameplay I've said "man, this crazy scenario I somehow concocted by tossing a lazer cannon glued to a fan into the middle of a group of bad guys sure is fun—but if it were just running at 10fps more I could really enjoy it." The game looks and plays great. Most people won't notice framerate. You don't have to either.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 The point addressed was the visuals, not how fun something is or is not.
  - avisser 3y ago
    Dude, someone said it looks fantastic, a purely subjective observation. And then you disagreed. It seems disingenuous for you to start disputing someone's logic.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      Subjectivity versus objectivity. We can measure framerate and resolution, and for a 2023 title, it's really not ticking the boxes on what "fantastic" visuals are in modern gaming from AAA. The hardware struggles to run the game, let's be real. In typical Nintendo Zelda fashion, it will probably get released on next-gen hardware in the future and run a lot better. It's OK to say it is below expectations for the price point, publisher, developer, and competing product. It's just a performance spec.
  - Fricken 3y ago
    Every aspect of a video game is in the service of fun.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      You might want to familiarize yourself with Skinnerian psychology and addiction versus fun.
mrguyorama 3y ago
Millions of games on the playstation and n64 were sold despite running at 12 fps, having horrific graphical artifacts (stupid texture mapping on the playstation, god awful smeary "filtering" on the n64), and everybody has fond memories of it, to the point that it's currently popular to emulate those artifacts. If you make an actually good game, people will cross broken glass to play it.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  This does not negate the statement made whatsoever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35987936
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