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Seriously. Nintendo has put quality games out like clockwork for decades now to the point where the biggest IP is almost instantly given top rating from everyo

Seriously. Nintendo has put quality games out like clockwork for decades now to the point where the biggest IP is almost instantly given top rating from everyone any time it's released, no matter how many glaring technical flaws exist. It's kind of nauseating, but impressive nonetheless. I can understand why - their games are fun, colorful, and (for the most part) very family friendly. All that said I wish Nintendo would dive back into some of the more underutilized IP, such as making a new first-person Metroid game, or a new Star Fox or F-Zero game. All 3 would have a lot of replay value if a proper multiplayer element was added. Yet Nintendo can straight up ignore multiplayer for the most part and still sell well, so what do I know?

eru 3y ago
> All that said I wish Nintendo would dive back into some of the more underutilized IP, [...] Or perhaps make new IP, instead of warming up the old stuff?
- morelisp 3y ago
  Nintendo is rarely a slouch in this area either, Splatoon is firmly "classic" now and I suspect we'll see sequels to both Ring Fit Adventure and Arms on the next console.
alexjplant 3y ago
> new Star Fox or F-Zero game I love F-Zero and dumped a lot of time into it when I was 13 but F-Zero GX was so insanely inaccessible to new players. None of my friends ever wanted to play split-screen because it required intimate knowledge of the controls, tracks, and machines in addition to crackerjack timing on the controller. Mario Kart is a lot more successful because it's the exact opposite. Although I'd love another F-Zero game I understand why they aren't bothering.
- flybrand 3y ago
  There's a great YouTube video that shows how the first attempt to make a sequel to F-Zero is what turned into Mario Kart! So every time you play super-accessible Mario, that is in fact a sequel.
- NickC25 3y ago
  Oh yeah, it's not for the Mario Kart crowd - it's a lot more hardcore than that. But for those of us who liked fast, technical racing games, F-Zero was a dream. Would love it if Nintendo released an F-Zero with an easy mode, and a hard mode. F-Zero X had that mode that generated new tracks randomly. If only that could be packaged into a modern game.....
mrguyorama 3y ago
I don't think Nintendo knows how to make StarFox. They haven't been able to actually make a successful improvement to the formula since it was first released. StarFox 2 actually could have been that successful iteration, but they canned it for StarFox64, which is a remake of Starfox. Starfox Adventure pissed off everyone because it shouldn't have been a starfox game, Starfox assault did not do well for a multitude of reasons, Starfox command was fun, but shat all over any semblance of a story the universe had and didn't scratch the itch people were desperate for, Starfox zero was a half assed expansion to a tech demo that had a terrible gimmick the producer was married to but nobody wanted and made no sense (I can't focus on both screens at once), and they've basically called the time of death at this point. Rail shooters aren't exactly knock out hits anymore.
- NickC25 3y ago
  Which is why I suggested multiplayer being a reason to bring the game back. A 4-on-4 or 5-on-5 Starfox multiplayer would be absolutely incredible on modern consoles. The other reason Starfox is hard to do is because the game itself is quite short - IIRC Starfox64 could be completed in less than an hour - it was only 7 stages at most, 6 at least. Crazy short. Make the whole campaign 20+ missions with longer stages, totally possible with today's tech.
byby 3y ago
Nintendo ip does have a weakness though. All their shit has a specific casual vibe to it. It's a very focused genre. You'll never get anything like God of war, red dead redemption 2 or dead space out of Nintendo.
- vlunkr 3y ago
  Yeah and Pixar doesn't make horror movies. It's not really a weakness.
  - byby 3y ago
    It is for most customers. They're not buying a movie, they're buying a movie player that only plays Disney movies. For me and you we can likely buy every console but most of this rivalry stems from the fact that most people buy one console. In this case the PC is the overall winning choice imo, but it's too expensive for a top of the line model. In that case the PS5 takes the next spot and the overall best choice when affordability and simplicity* are factored in. (PC can play pirated games and emulate many past consoles leading to vast overall savings but it requires a bit more technical know how then most consumers are used to. Also many consumers are not into piracy, but it is an option here)
- skyyler 3y ago
  Metroid isn't very casual, is it? Fire Emblem is definitely not for casual players. What do God of War, RDR2, and Dead Space have in common that makes them not casual? I'm really curious about what makes a game casual or not.
  - byby 3y ago
    Metroid is one of the least casuals but that's as casual as nintendo will get. Simple stories no blood, no dark hard themes like in RDR2 or dead space. >What do God of War, RDR2, and Dead Space have in common that makes them not casual? I'm really curious about what makes a game casual or not. Things that will make a movie casual. That's what I meant. Not casual in the sense that tetris is casual. Casual in the sense that a disney movie is casual while inception or Evil Dead is not casual. Here's a better way to put it, thematically casual and age friendly is what nintendo is all about.

eru 3y ago

> All that said I wish Nintendo would dive back into some of the more underutilized IP, [...] Or perhaps make new IP, instead of warming up the old stuff?

morelisp 3y ago
Nintendo is rarely a slouch in this area either, Splatoon is firmly "classic" now and I suspect we'll see sequels to both Ring Fit Adventure and Arms on the next console.

alexjplant 3y ago

> new Star Fox or F-Zero game I love F-Zero and dumped a lot of time into it when I was 13 but F-Zero GX was so insanely inaccessible to new players. None of my friends ever wanted to play split-screen because it required intimate knowledge of the controls, tracks, and machines in addition to crackerjack timing on the controller. Mario Kart is a lot more successful because it's the exact opposite. Although I'd love another F-Zero game I understand why they aren't bothering.

flybrand 3y ago
There's a great YouTube video that shows how the first attempt to make a sequel to F-Zero is what turned into Mario Kart! So every time you play super-accessible Mario, that is in fact a sequel.
NickC25 3y ago
Oh yeah, it's not for the Mario Kart crowd - it's a lot more hardcore than that. But for those of us who liked fast, technical racing games, F-Zero was a dream. Would love it if Nintendo released an F-Zero with an easy mode, and a hard mode. F-Zero X had that mode that generated new tracks randomly. If only that could be packaged into a modern game.....

mrguyorama 3y ago

I don't think Nintendo knows how to make StarFox. They haven't been able to actually make a successful improvement to the formula since it was first released. StarFox 2 actually could have been that successful iteration, but they canned it for StarFox64, which is a remake of Starfox. Starfox Adventure pissed off everyone because it shouldn't have been a starfox game, Starfox assault did not do well for a multitude of reasons, Starfox command was fun, but shat all over any semblance of a story the universe had and didn't scratch the itch people were desperate for, Starfox zero was a half assed expansion to a tech demo that had a terrible gimmick the producer was married to but nobody wanted and made no sense (I can't focus on both screens at once), and they've basically called the time of death at this point. Rail shooters aren't exactly knock out hits anymore.

NickC25 3y ago
Which is why I suggested multiplayer being a reason to bring the game back. A 4-on-4 or 5-on-5 Starfox multiplayer would be absolutely incredible on modern consoles. The other reason Starfox is hard to do is because the game itself is quite short - IIRC Starfox64 could be completed in less than an hour - it was only 7 stages at most, 6 at least. Crazy short. Make the whole campaign 20+ missions with longer stages, totally possible with today's tech.

byby 3y ago

Nintendo ip does have a weakness though. All their shit has a specific casual vibe to it. It's a very focused genre. You'll never get anything like God of war, red dead redemption 2 or dead space out of Nintendo.

vlunkr 3y ago
Yeah and Pixar doesn't make horror movies. It's not really a weakness.
- byby 3y ago
  It is for most customers. They're not buying a movie, they're buying a movie player that only plays Disney movies. For me and you we can likely buy every console but most of this rivalry stems from the fact that most people buy one console. In this case the PC is the overall winning choice imo, but it's too expensive for a top of the line model. In that case the PS5 takes the next spot and the overall best choice when affordability and simplicity* are factored in. (PC can play pirated games and emulate many past consoles leading to vast overall savings but it requires a bit more technical know how then most consumers are used to. Also many consumers are not into piracy, but it is an option here)
skyyler 3y ago
Metroid isn't very casual, is it? Fire Emblem is definitely not for casual players. What do God of War, RDR2, and Dead Space have in common that makes them not casual? I'm really curious about what makes a game casual or not.
- byby 3y ago
  Metroid is one of the least casuals but that's as casual as nintendo will get. Simple stories no blood, no dark hard themes like in RDR2 or dead space. >What do God of War, RDR2, and Dead Space have in common that makes them not casual? I'm really curious about what makes a game casual or not. Things that will make a movie casual. That's what I meant. Not casual in the sense that tetris is casual. Casual in the sense that a disney movie is casual while inception or Evil Dead is not casual. Here's a better way to put it, thematically casual and age friendly is what nintendo is all about.