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I just looked at this site and you have to pay if you want access. They're not free from this website either. I was looking at ISO-3166 and the different standa

I just looked at this site and you have to pay if you want access. They're not free from this website either. I was looking at ISO-3166 and the different standards documents cost from ~$22 to ~$175.

traceroute66 3y ago
> I just looked at this site and you have to pay if you want access. When did I say it was free ? I was replying to the OP who was complaining about paying 150. I pointed out that most people go to EVS these days where they can get it for a fraction of the cost. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the modern freetard mentality where people feel they are somehow entitled to the work of others free of charge. Whilst yes I agree the source 150 cost is high, the fractional cost available via EVS is not. And if your job is dependent on formal standards compliance, then its merely a cost of doing business no different to an internet connection and should be accounted for accordingly.
LeifCarrotson 3y ago
I've looked for ISO 10218, 12100, 13849, and IEC 60204, and they're $29.76 to $36.23; $138 for the set. That's a lot better than $183, $207, $230, and $575 that the original publishers want, almost $1200 for the set. The former is likely in the discretionary shop tools budget for most clients, especially if you spread it out over four pay periods, but $1200 would trigger lots of restrictions. But you're right, it's still not free. These are documents that should be on the laptops of every shift lead, maintenance tech, mechanical designer, manufacturing engineer, robot programmer, and controls programmer at industrial plants worldwide. These documents being free would not just make websites easier to use, they'd make human beings safer and reduce the number of industrial accidents that occur. And yet in the hundreds of facilities I've been in and hundreds of customers and vendors I've worked with, I can count on one hand the number of people who had a copy of even one of these documents. The vast majority, in practice, makes do with the regurgitated Powerpoints from various "safety training" presentations that have screenshots of a few tables and critical language. There's an enormous river of prosperity flowing through society. Everyone involved just wants to dip out or siphon off a little bit, what they imagine to be their fair share, or what they think they can convince people ought to be their fair share, and unfortunately, that includes people like the standards bodies. If they published their standards more freely, the total volume of that river would grow enormously, but they would get less of it, so they selfishly don't do that.

I just looked at this site and you have to pay if you want access. They're not free from this website either. I was looking at ISO-3166 and the different standards documents cost from ~$22 to ~$175.

traceroute66 3y ago

> I just looked at this site and you have to pay if you want access. When did I say it was free ? I was replying to the OP who was complaining about paying 150. I pointed out that most people go to EVS these days where they can get it for a fraction of the cost. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the modern freetard mentality where people feel they are somehow entitled to the work of others free of charge. Whilst yes I agree the source 150 cost is high, the fractional cost available via EVS is not. And if your job is dependent on formal standards compliance, then its merely a cost of doing business no different to an internet connection and should be accounted for accordingly.

LeifCarrotson 3y ago

I've looked for ISO 10218, 12100, 13849, and IEC 60204, and they're $29.76 to $36.23; $138 for the set. That's a lot better than $183, $207, $230, and $575 that the original publishers want, almost $1200 for the set. The former is likely in the discretionary shop tools budget for most clients, especially if you spread it out over four pay periods, but $1200 would trigger lots of restrictions. But you're right, it's still not free. These are documents that should be on the laptops of every shift lead, maintenance tech, mechanical designer, manufacturing engineer, robot programmer, and controls programmer at industrial plants worldwide. These documents being free would not just make websites easier to use, they'd make human beings safer and reduce the number of industrial accidents that occur. And yet in the hundreds of facilities I've been in and hundreds of customers and vendors I've worked with, I can count on one hand the number of people who had a copy of even one of these documents. The vast majority, in practice, makes do with the regurgitated Powerpoints from various "safety training" presentations that have screenshots of a few tables and critical language. There's an enormous river of prosperity flowing through society. Everyone involved just wants to dip out or siphon off a little bit, what they imagine to be their fair share, or what they think they can convince people ought to be their fair share, and unfortunately, that includes people like the standards bodies. If they published their standards more freely, the total volume of that river would grow enormously, but they would get less of it, so they selfishly don't do that.