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Would it have helped consumers when the EU was trying to force the micro USB standard which was worse than Lightning in every way? What happens when a company

Would it have helped consumers when the EU was trying to force the micro USB standard which was worse than Lightning in every way? What happens when a company wants to come up with a better charging method then USB C?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> What happens when a company wants to come up with a better charging method then USB C? Bottom line: it won’t happen in Europe.
- scarface74 3y ago
  Neither will any AI innovations if another proposed regulation comes into affect. AI based companies just won’t do business in the EU.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > AI based companies just won’t do business in the EU They probably will. It’s a huge and lucrative economic bloc. But they won’t be started there, or if they are, will be stunted by the fixed costs of compliance. For all the problems with our political process, America is good about exempting start-ups and small businesses from certain regulation.
    - davedx 3y ago
      OpenAI: "Hold my coat" takes seat in meeting room with Congress to help them draft some handy new laws
josefx 3y ago
> which was worse than Lightning in every way? You mean the proprietary connector that Apple would rather have die than turn into a free standard? Which it had over a decade to accomplish between the EU announcing its intention to enforce a standard and actually writing the law. > What happens when a company wants to come up with a better charging method then USB C? There is a renewal period of five years for the connection standard of choice. Why does this question get repeated every time USB comes up?
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  Yeah it's funny how many HNers come out of the woodworks to defend their favorite corporation's inferior proprietary charging standard that hasn't seen mass adoption beyond one single company and even that moved away from it on some of its higher end products. This is why we can't have nice things.
  - vlovich123 3y ago
    What higher end products did Apple move away from it on? Macs never had proprietary connectors again to my knowledge once they dropped FireWire (which technically was an open standard iirc). Apple dropped lightning from iPads but I think that has less to do with moving away and more that iPad volume is relatively small, MFI is not as important in its product segment, it requires high charging rates that lightning probably can’t support, iPad/Mac convergence is a thing and they want to make the charging story between those two compelling (eg connecting your iPhone to your iPad to charge). I seriously doubt Apple dropped iPad because it wants to move away from lightning. Also, Apple has easily shipped many billions of units with lightning connectors and dominates the profit margin of selling a smart phone. I think that qualifies as “mass adoption” regardless and they very intentionally control the lightning standard. I’m sure there’s many competitors who would haven chosen it over usbc before it became so ubiquitous if they could.
    - reaperducer 3y ago
      Macs never had proprietary connectors again to my knowledge once they dropped FireWire (which technically was an open standard iirc). More than "technically." Lots of devices had FireWire connections. In addition to my PowerBook, my Comcast cable box, my external archive drives from multiple brands, and my Sony camera had FireWire connectors. Many high-end televisions had them, too. The notion that FireWire was an Apple-only thing is little more than a HN cliche.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        I had both a Sony desktop and a high end Dell in 2011 that had FireWire

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> What happens when a company wants to come up with a better charging method then USB C? Bottom line: it won’t happen in Europe.

scarface74 3y ago
Neither will any AI innovations if another proposed regulation comes into affect. AI based companies just won’t do business in the EU.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > AI based companies just won’t do business in the EU They probably will. It’s a huge and lucrative economic bloc. But they won’t be started there, or if they are, will be stunted by the fixed costs of compliance. For all the problems with our political process, America is good about exempting start-ups and small businesses from certain regulation.
  - davedx 3y ago
    OpenAI: "Hold my coat" takes seat in meeting room with Congress to help them draft some handy new laws

josefx 3y ago

> which was worse than Lightning in every way? You mean the proprietary connector that Apple would rather have die than turn into a free standard? Which it had over a decade to accomplish between the EU announcing its intention to enforce a standard and actually writing the law. > What happens when a company wants to come up with a better charging method then USB C? There is a renewal period of five years for the connection standard of choice. Why does this question get repeated every time USB comes up?

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
Yeah it's funny how many HNers come out of the woodworks to defend their favorite corporation's inferior proprietary charging standard that hasn't seen mass adoption beyond one single company and even that moved away from it on some of its higher end products. This is why we can't have nice things.
- vlovich123 3y ago
  What higher end products did Apple move away from it on? Macs never had proprietary connectors again to my knowledge once they dropped FireWire (which technically was an open standard iirc). Apple dropped lightning from iPads but I think that has less to do with moving away and more that iPad volume is relatively small, MFI is not as important in its product segment, it requires high charging rates that lightning probably can’t support, iPad/Mac convergence is a thing and they want to make the charging story between those two compelling (eg connecting your iPhone to your iPad to charge). I seriously doubt Apple dropped iPad because it wants to move away from lightning. Also, Apple has easily shipped many billions of units with lightning connectors and dominates the profit margin of selling a smart phone. I think that qualifies as “mass adoption” regardless and they very intentionally control the lightning standard. I’m sure there’s many competitors who would haven chosen it over usbc before it became so ubiquitous if they could.
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    Macs never had proprietary connectors again to my knowledge once they dropped FireWire (which technically was an open standard iirc). More than "technically." Lots of devices had FireWire connections. In addition to my PowerBook, my Comcast cable box, my external archive drives from multiple brands, and my Sony camera had FireWire connectors. Many high-end televisions had them, too. The notion that FireWire was an Apple-only thing is little more than a HN cliche.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      I had both a Sony desktop and a high end Dell in 2011 that had FireWire