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I'm far from being a free-marketeer but when people buy an Apple thing they know what they're getting regarding repairability and they're OK with it. Someone wh

I'm far from being a free-marketeer but when people buy an Apple thing they know what they're getting regarding repairability and they're OK with it. Someone who cares about the availablity of spare parts for a sensible price should buy Dell, (presumably) Lenovo, maybe Framework, etc.

churchill 3y ago
Then you are a free-marketeer. Is advocating for choice in the marketplace something to be ashamed of? If people stick to Apple despite their history, they're indirectly saying that the quality of the product is so much that despite the inconveniences, they still consider Apple products a net positive. They can deal with it if they don't want to use competing brands that are quite as good.
tombert 3y ago
A part of me agrees, but it does kind of feel like Apple is the trendsetter/gatekeeper for a lot of this stuff. Everyone crapped on Apple for removing the headphone jack, or making non-replaceable batteries...and then quietly started doing all that themselves. I am super happy that companies like Framework are getting some traction, and there's a fairly high likelihood that once my current Macbook breaks that my next laptop will be a Framework, but I also feel like Framework is still kind of a niche outlier; Apple seems to be the "test the limits of what customers will tolerate" company.
- sanitycheck 3y ago
  I do agree about a lot of the (IMO) backward steps being Apple's fault, and I support legislation on some things - a common charging plug is good (don't care what it is, USB-C is OK) and a common replaceable battery standard would be nice too. The headphone jack... Turns out people didn't care, or Sony phones would be a lot more popular than they are (I like them, I accept I'm not normal.) Framework is a niche outlier, but Dell isn't and you can get service manuals and spares easily for all their business laptops. Maybe people just don't know that? (Don't touch the consumer lines, obviously - and I include XPS in that.)
  - tombert 3y ago
    I mean, honestly you can count me into that group of people who didn't care; I had been using Bluetooth headphones for years at that point already. I actually didn't know that business Dell laptops were easy to repair...I'll need to look into that.

churchill 3y ago

Then you are a free-marketeer. Is advocating for choice in the marketplace something to be ashamed of? If people stick to Apple despite their history, they're indirectly saying that the quality of the product is so much that despite the inconveniences, they still consider Apple products a net positive. They can deal with it if they don't want to use competing brands that are quite as good.

tombert 3y ago

A part of me agrees, but it does kind of feel like Apple is the trendsetter/gatekeeper for a lot of this stuff. Everyone crapped on Apple for removing the headphone jack, or making non-replaceable batteries...and then quietly started doing all that themselves. I am super happy that companies like Framework are getting some traction, and there's a fairly high likelihood that once my current Macbook breaks that my next laptop will be a Framework, but I also feel like Framework is still kind of a niche outlier; Apple seems to be the "test the limits of what customers will tolerate" company.

sanitycheck 3y ago
I do agree about a lot of the (IMO) backward steps being Apple's fault, and I support legislation on some things - a common charging plug is good (don't care what it is, USB-C is OK) and a common replaceable battery standard would be nice too. The headphone jack... Turns out people didn't care, or Sony phones would be a lot more popular than they are (I like them, I accept I'm not normal.) Framework is a niche outlier, but Dell isn't and you can get service manuals and spares easily for all their business laptops. Maybe people just don't know that? (Don't touch the consumer lines, obviously - and I include XPS in that.)
- tombert 3y ago
  I mean, honestly you can count me into that group of people who didn't care; I had been using Bluetooth headphones for years at that point already. I actually didn't know that business Dell laptops were easy to repair...I'll need to look into that.