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Blaming the messenger has been standard practice for a long time.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
Specifically highlighting Rupert Murdoch and Charles Koch as people not responsible for climate denial is so aggressively egregious it taints everything else these "roots of progress" folk are advocating.
- epistasis 3y ago
  I don't understand your assertion of gaslighting or smugness, honestly. Koch and Murdoch do not enter into the point he is making, and neither does the standard climate denialism that these two devils have perpetrated on so much of the population. Instead, the accusation is that ostensibly "environmental" groups are prioritizing "human enjoyment of green environments" over actual ecosystem preservation and climate action. This is a trend for all the environmental groups that have not updated strategy since the 1970s. Preserving our current economy, our current system, means certain ecocide. Yet these groups are entirely set up to preserve the status quo, rather than accelerating drastic change to the economy and human systems. In my local town, this manifests as aged people advocating to stop the construction of a building that could house 100 people, because 3 urban trees would be cut down, while at the same time accepting that those 100 people will not be putting pressure on housing in further away, more sensitive areas, where housing will result in hundreds of trees being cut down. In short, they are preserving their view, preserving existing human structures, instead of allowing the needs to humans to be met with the lowest environmental impact. This is also manifesting as people blocking newel student housing on campus, using "environmental" laws, even though the result is that these same students must now commute long distances at much much higher environments costs than being able to live on campus. Perhaps the CPRE and RSPB are different than what's going on in the US. But here in the US, the backwards "environmental groups cause more damage locally than even Murdoch or Koch, and do it hypocritically. To me, this makes them villains greater than Koch and Murdoch, at least in local action.

Specifically highlighting Rupert Murdoch and Charles Koch as people not responsible for climate denial is so aggressively egregious it taints everything else these "roots of progress" folk are advocating.

epistasis 3y ago
I don't understand your assertion of gaslighting or smugness, honestly. Koch and Murdoch do not enter into the point he is making, and neither does the standard climate denialism that these two devils have perpetrated on so much of the population. Instead, the accusation is that ostensibly "environmental" groups are prioritizing "human enjoyment of green environments" over actual ecosystem preservation and climate action. This is a trend for all the environmental groups that have not updated strategy since the 1970s. Preserving our current economy, our current system, means certain ecocide. Yet these groups are entirely set up to preserve the status quo, rather than accelerating drastic change to the economy and human systems. In my local town, this manifests as aged people advocating to stop the construction of a building that could house 100 people, because 3 urban trees would be cut down, while at the same time accepting that those 100 people will not be putting pressure on housing in further away, more sensitive areas, where housing will result in hundreds of trees being cut down. In short, they are preserving their view, preserving existing human structures, instead of allowing the needs to humans to be met with the lowest environmental impact. This is also manifesting as people blocking newel student housing on campus, using "environmental" laws, even though the result is that these same students must now commute long distances at much much higher environments costs than being able to live on campus. Perhaps the CPRE and RSPB are different than what's going on in the US. But here in the US, the backwards "environmental groups cause more damage locally than even Murdoch or Koch, and do it hypocritically. To me, this makes them villains greater than Koch and Murdoch, at least in local action.