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With hindsight we can see their mistakes but isn't following the expert line the best thing to do in an uncertain situation?

STM32F030R8 3y ago
I mean there was a very sizable group that saw the mistakes in real time. Not necessarily the medical mistakes but the censorship mistakes. I’m not sure how anyone can know what to do in an uncertain situation like that but being unable to question authority isn’t good for most societies.
tehjoker 3y ago
Unfortunately, we've learned that the experts are there mainly to reinforce whatever makes businesses money. That's who gets access to the airwaves and government press conferences. So if you think there's an alternative reality that might be unprofitable, you have to figure it out for yourself. The best COVID info is and was on Twitter since 2020. Just stunning amounts of primary lit being shared with expert opinion. You have to tune your bullshit sense though, and unfortunately that might require having a science background... This is how many people realized that COVID is airborne and that only N95 and better respirators provide real protection. People now discuss air cleaning, the impacts of Long COVID, etc. The vaccines were seized upon by the political parties as a wedge issue to force the economy open. They help with medical system capacity, but do not block transmission and Long COVID. You can find an ongoing science based pandemic response policy at https://pandemicjustice.icu https://pandemicjustice.icu
ipaddr 3y ago
Trusting in appointed experts instead of critical thinking is the worst thing to do in uncertain times.
- 1270018080 3y ago
  Nobody knew if covid was airborne at the time, so the most correct answer was nobody knows. Some people got lucky by making things up on the spot and guessed it was airborne. At a certain point their confirmation bias and distrust of media broke their perception of the world and they became antivax etc, still no critical thinking taking place.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Many did not know and took extra steps like wearing a mask. What the experts did was say anyone wearing masks is racist against asian people. Their was no vaccine at this point so no one against it yet. The critical thinking can be found in the independent minds of those who made the choice to wear a mask. Listening to an expert didn't play out well.
    - 1270018080 3y ago
      Your genius is only validated by the experts eventually proving that wearing a mask was a good idea.
    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      Do you have the quote from the WHO saying the use of masks was racist?
- hallway_monitor 3y ago
  Thank you. Because what you're talking about is blind trust in someone who has been put into a position of supposed authority. I can't bring myself to do it - I don't know these people so until I'm presented with credible evidence that makes sense to me, I believe a position of extreme skepticism is warranted.
pfannkuchen 3y ago
Many of these things were obvious at the time if you were paying attention.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Many people were also certain of obvious beliefs that turned out to be untrue.
throw9away6 3y ago
When experts are wrong ignore them as noise. I trust the cdc as much as I trust Jim Cramer on investments. Both are technically experts
UberFly 3y ago
Following the best guess of those with the knowledge and experience is definitely the best best, but I find myself, like most people, questioning their motives. It's healthy to do so but also a sad commentary.
BobTheDestroyer 3y ago
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vngzs 3y ago
Sure as a general rule, but that doesn't render those experts free from criticism when they make mistakes. That low confidence scientific hypotheses were treated as high confidence scientific results is a valid critique of expert interaction with the general public, as it led to search engine censorship of objectively true information.
nomel 3y ago
This isn't quite correct. They eventually knew that masks worked, but delayed to help doctors get them: https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-becaus...
- josephcsible 3y ago
  "delayed"? They lied.

STM32F030R8 3y ago

I mean there was a very sizable group that saw the mistakes in real time. Not necessarily the medical mistakes but the censorship mistakes. I’m not sure how anyone can know what to do in an uncertain situation like that but being unable to question authority isn’t good for most societies.

tehjoker 3y ago

Unfortunately, we've learned that the experts are there mainly to reinforce whatever makes businesses money. That's who gets access to the airwaves and government press conferences. So if you think there's an alternative reality that might be unprofitable, you have to figure it out for yourself. The best COVID info is and was on Twitter since 2020. Just stunning amounts of primary lit being shared with expert opinion. You have to tune your bullshit sense though, and unfortunately that might require having a science background... This is how many people realized that COVID is airborne and that only N95 and better respirators provide real protection. People now discuss air cleaning, the impacts of Long COVID, etc. The vaccines were seized upon by the political parties as a wedge issue to force the economy open. They help with medical system capacity, but do not block transmission and Long COVID. You can find an ongoing science based pandemic response policy at https://pandemicjustice.icu https://pandemicjustice.icu

ipaddr 3y ago

Trusting in appointed experts instead of critical thinking is the worst thing to do in uncertain times.

1270018080 3y ago
Nobody knew if covid was airborne at the time, so the most correct answer was nobody knows. Some people got lucky by making things up on the spot and guessed it was airborne. At a certain point their confirmation bias and distrust of media broke their perception of the world and they became antivax etc, still no critical thinking taking place.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Many did not know and took extra steps like wearing a mask. What the experts did was say anyone wearing masks is racist against asian people. Their was no vaccine at this point so no one against it yet. The critical thinking can be found in the independent minds of those who made the choice to wear a mask. Listening to an expert didn't play out well.
  - 1270018080 3y ago
    Your genius is only validated by the experts eventually proving that wearing a mask was a good idea.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Do you have the quote from the WHO saying the use of masks was racist?
hallway_monitor 3y ago
Thank you. Because what you're talking about is blind trust in someone who has been put into a position of supposed authority. I can't bring myself to do it - I don't know these people so until I'm presented with credible evidence that makes sense to me, I believe a position of extreme skepticism is warranted.

pfannkuchen 3y ago

Many of these things were obvious at the time if you were paying attention.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
Many people were also certain of obvious beliefs that turned out to be untrue.

throw9away6 3y ago

When experts are wrong ignore them as noise. I trust the cdc as much as I trust Jim Cramer on investments. Both are technically experts

UberFly 3y ago

Following the best guess of those with the knowledge and experience is definitely the best best, but I find myself, like most people, questioning their motives. It's healthy to do so but also a sad commentary.

BobTheDestroyer 3y ago

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vngzs 3y ago

Sure as a general rule, but that doesn't render those experts free from criticism when they make mistakes. That low confidence scientific hypotheses were treated as high confidence scientific results is a valid critique of expert interaction with the general public, as it led to search engine censorship of objectively true information.

nomel 3y ago

This isn't quite correct. They eventually knew that masks worked, but delayed to help doctors get them: https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-becaus...

josephcsible 3y ago
"delayed"? They lied.