> saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them"

> saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them" is eugenicist and antisocial. Ok, but why? It seems like socially it cuts both ways. If I ask someone to do something they don't want to do and they refuse are they necessarily antisocial? How are you balancing the gains with the losses? It seems that your methods of accounting only value the most likely losers if there is no intervention.