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Young Americans Are Dying at Alarming Rates, Reversing Years of Progress
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- RunningDroid 3y agohttps://archive.ph/OwgOY https://archive.ph/OwgOY
- bluedemon 3y agoDr. Steven Woolf, that’s mentioned in the article, did an interesting interview on PBS Newshour. Here it is: https://youtu.be/s2N3U2s3COM https://youtu.be/s2N3U2s3COM
- nocsi 3y agotl;dr it’s fetanyl. Youths are adverse to drinking but have insanely easy access and willingness to do fet. I see more and more high school age kids joining the junkies in the streets of Seattle. It’s really wild to me to constantly see high school age kids choosing to join the standard homeless to do drugs all day
- deprecative 3y agoWhen there is no hope for the future people do very odd things. Imagine being a high school kid these days. What do you have to look forward to? Absolutely nothing but misery.
- pb7 3y agoWhat do they have to look forward to? Same as everyone in the past, maybe more depending on what you value.
- deprecative 3y agoIn the past you would look forward to having a family, owning property, living life. Now generations Y, Z, and Alpha (these poor souls in particular) have permanent debt, non-existent wealth, global habitat falling apart leading to mass famine and migration, increasing dystopian governments, and being automated out of a job. There's no there, there for kids. I'm being quite broad with the definition of kids. I understand those of us who are fortunate to benefit from other's misery might have a differing perspective but that's not the reality for the average individual especially if you're still in school.
- cafard 3y agoIn certain portions of the past, you could count on war--not many time zones away, but right in the neighborhood--famine, plague, etc.
- deprecative 3y agoWar is a constant within the history of the United States continuing until today. While for a lot of folks it's indeed many time zones away, for those unfortunate enough to be in those areas or sent to those areas that's no comfort. As resources grow more scarce over the next handful of decades that far off time zone will get closer and closer to home. I mean look at COVID and toilet paper. Now imagine that's the only clean water and nutritious food and you'll have an idea of what this will look like.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoYour confusing the national consensus, vs state-level consensus.
- Jimmc414 3y agoThere is a significant chance of them living to see AGI, immortality and space travel. Half full vs half empty perhaps.
- bluefirebrand 3y agoEven if we did succeed at any of these it's not a given that they would be good for everyone. There is no good that can come of humanity discovering immortality for example. It would be the worst thing we could do. Do we really want an upper class of immortals and a lower class of people who aren't? Because that will happen. Space travel? Okay so all of the rich stay here on earth and send us peasants off to colonize cold and unforgiving rocks and mine asteroids for them? Don't even get me started on AGI.
- deprecative 3y agoIf these things come to pass it won't matter to most kids. They'll be too poor and resource starved to enjoy it just in time for the drought and famines.
- magic_hamster 3y ago>living to see AGI, immortality and space travel. You mean living to see other people enjoying or otherwise benefitting from these advances. A homeless junkie is not exactly the kind of class with access to groundbreaking immortality treatments. Realistically, high schoolers of today are going to grow into a post-globalization era, everything will be much more expensive for them, housing and education will be out of reach for many. And then there's the absolute havoc they will inherit with climate change. The next generation is dealt a pretty terrible hand.
- the_only_law 3y agoThey’ll get to experience some of it as indentured servants on some off world colony /s
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- aeternum 3y agoRidiculous take, travelling the world is cheaper and easier than ever. If you work hard you will likely be able to buy a ticket to visit the moon, something only a few humans have ever done. Starvation is at an all-time low, you have access to all of human knowledge and the best professors online for free. The world is great and this is the most exciting time to live.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago> If you work hard you will likely be able to buy a ticket to visit the moon, something only a few humans have ever done. I’d be surprised if more than another couple dozen people make it to the moon in the next generation. Maybe more but certainly almost no one (statistically speaking) will be able to visit the moon by just working hard. However, I don’t take issue with the rest of your optimism.
- deprecative 3y agoThe world is not a meritocracy nor has it ever been. This take is absolutely delusional. It doesn't matter how cheap or easy anything is if people make less and have next to no time off which is most people.
- rangerelf 3y agoOr, "if you work really really hard, you might be able to buy lunch". Visit the moon, don't make me laugh. I don't know if you're being intentionally naive or disingenuous.
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- edmundsauto 3y agoAbsolutely not. What you see as the dregs, I see as another human being. It may cost more economically to care for them versus letting them die horrific deaths without trying, but making that decision would mean our society is far more monstrous than it is today. And socially we would be worse off. Try visiting the small towns of the rust belt that have high addiction rates to see what happens socially.
- fknorangesite 3y agoFirst: no. Second: jesus fucking christ this is abhorrent.
- CommanderData 3y agoPeople are willing to press the abort button too early on these people and it's both insightful and terrifying.
- kbelder 3y agoYeah, that's abhorrent, but the amusing thing is that I've seen similar comments in threads about obesity.
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- RealityVoid 3y agoI wonder how many that had the potential genetic talent of Ussain Bolt instead slid into other lifestyles and just became obese.
- yieldcrv 3y agoI’m seeing a big uptick in normalized degeneracy or vices, no data just the people involved Maybe I’m just interested in some aspects of some underworlds now Or people attracted to them dont call it degeneracy or underworlds now Hard to say Lots of people are trying to “normalize” lots of things though
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- stcroixx 3y agoKennedy? Clinton? There are so many. Not sure this is the issue.
- hotpotamus 3y agoIf you had to choose between Kennedy, Clinton, or Trump as the CEO of your company, would they seem equivalent?
- boeingUH60 3y agoI will close down the company instead.
- ThorsBane 3y agoIncrease the easy widespread availability of cheap fresh locally-grown fruits and vegetables. Build as many vertical farms as are needed to always have drone-delivery of fresh produce. Build it at such a scale that anyone can order as much as they want to eat from their smartphone and receive a drone delivered basket containing automatically picked fresh produce from the vertical farm systems nearby.
- Jtsummers 3y ago> Increase the easy widespread availability of cheap fresh locally-grown fruits and vegetables. Yes, fresh produce is what's needed to address increased deaths from: transportation, homicide, suicide (ok, maybe an impact in general health on this one which does impact mental health), poisoning. I can imagine the billboards, "Thinking of using drugs? Try a freshly picked apple instead!".
- fatfingerd 3y agoProbably the green space that would be created by doing the same project by removing streets to plant orchards would be pretty effective at removing inputs to those deaths. Green spaces that are only available to a few and don't displace streets I'd be less confident in.
- theossuary 3y agoIn that case the solution isn't more orchards, it's less cars.
- fatfingerd 3y agoMore green space less street capacity, harvest would at best be a proxy for calculating/retaining a coverage requirement. Less cars on the same streets are speed deaths, replacement with traditional buildings are depression related deaths. I think continuous public green roof parks/paths or something would be more practical than actual harvestable plants.
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- mullingitover 3y agoWSJ really makes you dig pretty far into the article to get to this nugget: > The U.S. is the only place among peer nations where firearms are the No. 1 cause of death in young people. For a country that's notorious for going above and beyond to protect children from immorality, it's almost shocking how it'll do basically nothing to protect them from actual death.
- MattGaiser 3y agoDeath, hunger, illness, rotting teeth, etc. The problem (according to half the country) must be the LGBTQ and the teachers indoctrinating them.
- danlugo92 3y ago@dang
- Jtsummers 3y agoGP is clearly being sarcastic and mocking a current streak in US politics to further politicize and ostracize LGBTQ people instead of addressing issues of violence and drug use against and among children and young people. If the comment really offends your sensibilities though: 1. Earn enough karma (501) to downvote. 2. Earn enough karma (what's the target?) to flag. 3. Email hn@ycombinator.com; @dang doesn't summon him.
- danlugo92 3y agoAccusing half of a country of being anti-LGBTQ stupid ignorants of big issues is super reductive and you shouldn't be defending this.
- achillesheels 3y agoI represent half that country. Are you familiar with sexual dimorphism, comrade?
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- californiadreem 3y agoWe moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace, Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place, But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.