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Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

by ars 3y ago

InitialLastName 3y ago
Notoriety is in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't matter whether the police are _actually_ trigger-happy; as long as they have a reputation for excessive use of violence, a threat to involve them is a perceived threat of violence.
klyrs 3y ago
I get my news from quite a few sources. But you're here on a social media site devoted to sharing news, commenting on a news article. Are you not getting your news from social media right here, right now? What I wrote is entirely true, I didn't say that a threat to call the cops is %100 guarantee to shoot somebody. I said that there's a nonzero probability. SWATting, for example, has killed several people who did nothing wrong. Personal experience: I've had a gun pulled on me a couple times while un-armed and non-threatening. Most amusing one: got pulled over for expired tabs and had a boffer sword (not even remotely realistic looking, mostly red duct tape) in my back seat.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  This is a forum, not social media. There's no network nonsense and algorithm pushes here.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    Agree to disagree; forums are social media. Traditional forum software is purely temporal ranking (latest-comment-first) plus pinned posts. HN uses a ranking algorithm based on engagement, plus ads.
    - yamtaddle 3y ago
      I think if you expand it that much, the term's useless. HN lacks a couple things that I'd consider necessary for something to for-sure qualify as "social media": a personalized queue/feed, and some sort of prominent and heavily-used "follow" action. Those are two distinguishing features of the first things I recall the term ever being applied to—as far as I'm aware, the term was coined for that kind of thing. If the "social network" and actions related to it aren't present or aren't central to the experience, I wouldn't call something social media.
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Well, if you define it that way, @ars's assumption is a complete miss, as HN is the only social media that I use.
yamtaddle 3y ago
I get my views on the police from the news and from observing them and hearing stories about them from relatives and friends, some of whom have worked with police or in other parts of the justice system. My conclusion, after years and years of all that, is that you should only call them if you'd rather end up beaten and cuffed and facing charges, with a bunch of your shit broken and/or stolen, than let whatever's happening now keep happening. Bringing them into a situation comes with a serious risk of "now you have two problems". For lesser non-emergency stuff, they're not gonna do jack-shit except give you a report for insurance (and charge you money for it), so, do get in touch if you need that, but don't expect anything more from them, because you won't get it. I also treat them as the most dangerous drivers on the road. From what I've seen of their driving, they're up there with a teenager in a sportscar who's simultaneously applying makeup and texting. Except that sometimes when they do something dangerous and stupid, you get a ticket (seen it happen).

Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

by ars 3y ago

Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

Notoriety is in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't matter whether the police are _actually_ trigger-happy; as long as they have a reputation for excessive use of violence, a threat to involve them is a perceived threat of violence.

klyrs 3y ago

I get my news from quite a few sources. But you're here on a social media site devoted to sharing news, commenting on a news article. Are you not getting your news from social media right here, right now? What I wrote is entirely true, I didn't say that a threat to call the cops is %100 guarantee to shoot somebody. I said that there's a nonzero probability. SWATting, for example, has killed several people who did nothing wrong. Personal experience: I've had a gun pulled on me a couple times while un-armed and non-threatening. Most amusing one: got pulled over for expired tabs and had a boffer sword (not even remotely realistic looking, mostly red duct tape) in my back seat.

slowmovintarget 3y ago
This is a forum, not social media. There's no network nonsense and algorithm pushes here.
- klyrs 3y ago
  Agree to disagree; forums are social media. Traditional forum software is purely temporal ranking (latest-comment-first) plus pinned posts. HN uses a ranking algorithm based on engagement, plus ads.
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    I think if you expand it that much, the term's useless. HN lacks a couple things that I'd consider necessary for something to for-sure qualify as "social media": a personalized queue/feed, and some sort of prominent and heavily-used "follow" action. Those are two distinguishing features of the first things I recall the term ever being applied to—as far as I'm aware, the term was coined for that kind of thing. If the "social network" and actions related to it aren't present or aren't central to the experience, I wouldn't call something social media.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      Well, if you define it that way, @ars's assumption is a complete miss, as HN is the only social media that I use.

yamtaddle 3y ago

I get my views on the police from the news and from observing them and hearing stories about them from relatives and friends, some of whom have worked with police or in other parts of the justice system. My conclusion, after years and years of all that, is that you should only call them if you'd rather end up beaten and cuffed and facing charges, with a bunch of your shit broken and/or stolen, than let whatever's happening now keep happening. Bringing them into a situation comes with a serious risk of "now you have two problems". For lesser non-emergency stuff, they're not gonna do jack-shit except give you a report for insurance (and charge you money for it), so, do get in touch if you need that, but don't expect anything more from them, because you won't get it. I also treat them as the most dangerous drivers on the road. From what I've seen of their driving, they're up there with a teenager in a sportscar who's simultaneously applying makeup and texting. Except that sometimes when they do something dangerous and stupid, you get a ticket (seen it happen).