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As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will

As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will hate and make them want to avoid those models of cars. I think it's gonna end up as damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

danans 3y ago
> As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well Why would a camera force this regulation when every car already has a ... speedometer?
- littledot5566 3y ago
  Does a speedometer record how fast you were going 1 minute before the crash.
  - hwbehrens 3y ago
    Yes, since the mid-2000s in the U.S., at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-563 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - propogandist 3y ago
    Google Maps records everything and sends it to the cloud to log your entire journey while using the app. They've made it into a feature to show "average speed" and similar details in the Maps app. They have your speed, where you began and where you were going. Way more damning.
BoorishBears 3y ago
You car already records your speed. It's not stored forever, but in the event of a crash your last X seconds of speed, throttle, brakes, steering, and more are being stored in a rolling buffer https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-information-in-the-event-of-an-accident.html https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-informatio... http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/enu/details/guide02.html http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/en...
leviathant 3y ago
Without government influence, auto manufacturers already have "black boxes" that record speed and other telemetry. I'm very conscious of the erosion of privacy, but I'm a 40-something computer nerd. People actively, deliberately record themselves doing crimes of all stripes and post it to public social networks. In the states, there's rampant violation of vehicle-related laws and minimal enforcement (fake temporary tags, deliberate obstruction of real license plates, deeply tinted windshield and driver/passenger glass, not to mention rolling stops and speeding) Modern cars record their speed today, no one bats an eye. Even before in-car tech could do this, you could passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data, but that doesn't happen. Neither side cares enough to bother.
- HeavyFeather 3y ago
  > passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data Some EU countries do that on tollways but don't keep them always-on because they generate too many tickets to handle.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  If you have the app for your auto insurance on your phone, they are probably attempting to track your "misbehavior" through that, in the same way they do with their offerings that use GPS enabled ODBII dongles. Unless it is explicitly, extremely illegal in an execs go to prison kind of way, they will do it.

danans 3y ago

> As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well Why would a camera force this regulation when every car already has a ... speedometer?

littledot5566 3y ago
Does a speedometer record how fast you were going 1 minute before the crash.
- hwbehrens 3y ago
  Yes, since the mid-2000s in the U.S., at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-563 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...
- deleted 3y ago
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- propogandist 3y ago
  Google Maps records everything and sends it to the cloud to log your entire journey while using the app. They've made it into a feature to show "average speed" and similar details in the Maps app. They have your speed, where you began and where you were going. Way more damning.

BoorishBears 3y ago

You car already records your speed. It's not stored forever, but in the event of a crash your last X seconds of speed, throttle, brakes, steering, and more are being stored in a rolling buffer https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-information-in-the-event-of-an-accident.html https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-informatio... http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/enu/details/guide02.html http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/en...

leviathant 3y ago

Without government influence, auto manufacturers already have "black boxes" that record speed and other telemetry. I'm very conscious of the erosion of privacy, but I'm a 40-something computer nerd. People actively, deliberately record themselves doing crimes of all stripes and post it to public social networks. In the states, there's rampant violation of vehicle-related laws and minimal enforcement (fake temporary tags, deliberate obstruction of real license plates, deeply tinted windshield and driver/passenger glass, not to mention rolling stops and speeding) Modern cars record their speed today, no one bats an eye. Even before in-car tech could do this, you could passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data, but that doesn't happen. Neither side cares enough to bother.

HeavyFeather 3y ago
> passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data Some EU countries do that on tollways but don't keep them always-on because they generate too many tickets to handle.
mrguyorama 3y ago
If you have the app for your auto insurance on your phone, they are probably attempting to track your "misbehavior" through that, in the same way they do with their offerings that use GPS enabled ODBII dongles. Unless it is explicitly, extremely illegal in an execs go to prison kind of way, they will do it.