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It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of p

It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.

jjoonathan 3y ago
"By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    If they used their physique and mentality to suggest that that they were affiliated with law enforcement, that's a problem. If they used their physique and mentality to threaten extrajudicial violence, that's a problem. If they were crystal clear that they didn't represent law enforcement and that they weren't threatening extrajudicial violence, cool. Society has an interest in ensuring that goons can't bluff their way into LEO privileges, so if that's what they did, we have a problem.
philsnow 3y ago
> If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked I haven't played MtG since the 90s, so I'm maybe not clued in on what a "typical magic player" is, but I would expect them to be pretty rules-lawyer-y (both on and off the table) and would stand their ground on principle.
- setr 3y ago
  I think most rules-lawyers tend to lose their confidence in the power of those rules when you flip the table and leave… or when you threaten to hit them with a wrench.
  - gabereiser 3y ago
    Or threaten a 13 year old girl who happens to beat you in round 1 of FNM with her black deck. It’s all fun and games until someone flips a table or punches a child or says some really awful things that make said 13 year old give all her magic cards away. If real law enforcement (or Pinkertons) showed any sense of legitimacy, the typical MtG player would bow to the authority. Whether it’s in the rule book or “unspoken rules by the venue”. edit this occurred to my daughter in 2012 at FNM.

jjoonathan 3y ago

"By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.

gabereiser 3y ago
I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  If they used their physique and mentality to suggest that that they were affiliated with law enforcement, that's a problem. If they used their physique and mentality to threaten extrajudicial violence, that's a problem. If they were crystal clear that they didn't represent law enforcement and that they weren't threatening extrajudicial violence, cool. Society has an interest in ensuring that goons can't bluff their way into LEO privileges, so if that's what they did, we have a problem.

philsnow 3y ago

> If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked I haven't played MtG since the 90s, so I'm maybe not clued in on what a "typical magic player" is, but I would expect them to be pretty rules-lawyer-y (both on and off the table) and would stand their ground on principle.

setr 3y ago
I think most rules-lawyers tend to lose their confidence in the power of those rules when you flip the table and leave… or when you threaten to hit them with a wrench.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Or threaten a 13 year old girl who happens to beat you in round 1 of FNM with her black deck. It’s all fun and games until someone flips a table or punches a child or says some really awful things that make said 13 year old give all her magic cards away. If real law enforcement (or Pinkertons) showed any sense of legitimacy, the typical MtG player would bow to the authority. Whether it’s in the rule book or “unspoken rules by the venue”. edit this occurred to my daughter in 2012 at FNM.