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Whoever at WotC decided to send them should be fired. It's just a trading card game. Contact the guy through normal means and ask him to return them.

prepend 3y ago
There’s a massive list of bonehead decisions made by WotC and none have resulted in firing. It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  >It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that. I don't think thats true. They walked back their license BS over fan outrage.
  - prepend 3y ago
    That was d&d, I’m talking about magic stuff. Just off the top of my head, they just seem generally incompetent and people keep buying. Here’s some stuff I remember: -underprinting (legends) and overprinting (fallen empires) -saying they wouldn’t reprint things (reserved list) then reprinting some, and monkeying around with it for 5 years -original magic online in early 00s was completely poorly built at the time of lots of other MOOCs and a super lively IRC open source client, Apprentice, that they could have just cloned -launching their new digital game, arena, as desktop only for its first three years -killing their tournament play -cutting out local stores with direct to consumer sales (and massive distribution through Amazon) -$100 “vip” booster packs -poor quality control that makes cards look like pringles -multiple versions of each card with different foiling techniques -firing artists over liking tweets -new product every two months instead of 3-4 times per year -freaking out over leaked spoilers -telling some people what cards would be reprinted beforehand to have them purchase or sell accordingly -not putting shandalar on steam/ never making sequels
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      So true, mtg players are kinda locked in and get roughed up way more than the d&D players by corporate bullshit. I normally only view WoTC through the d&d lens as thats where my hobby lies.
    - throwaway743 3y ago
      To add, regarding Arena at least, it seems like all they give a shit about now is releasing new and older cards meant for commander/brawl. Sure those formats are fun, but they should still focus on the core format and at the very least release some older sets in their entirety rather than just for the sake of commander/brawl play. Also <insert_unfounded_rant_about_the_shuffler> Idk maybe im just getting old and grumpy, but I still love the original format.
      - bart_spoon 3y ago
        Commander is the core format these days. It feels weird to me as someone who grew up on Standard/Modern, but Commander is apparently the most popular by far now. Arena is one of the only places it isn’t, and that’s because Commander isn’t actually supported. But paper still drives card development, not Arena, at least for now. But the rumor is they are working on getting Commander into Arena in the next year or two.
        throwaway743 3y ago
        Arena does have brawl which is essentially commander with minor differences, but it also still doesn't support more than 2 players
        bart_spoon 3y ago
        I think the 2 players thing is a major difference, unfortunately. My understanding (I don't play Commander) is that it is generally best played with 4 people. That said, someone pointed out that the 4 player requirement makes implementing it on Arena very difficult if not impossible. A single person going AFK or quitting ruins the experience for everyone. There is less of a social contract in place when playing anonymously via Arena, so it seems like it is ripe for frustration.
  - t-writescode 3y ago
    Because every single major DnD player promised to: * stop using DnD; and/or, * create the own RPG ruleset and license The alternatives to MtG are fewer and further between and usually of greatly reduced quality relative MtG. There is a meaningful difference here.
protocolture 3y ago
Theres 2 ex pinkertons in upper management I doubt that will fly.

prepend 3y ago

There’s a massive list of bonehead decisions made by WotC and none have resulted in firing. It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that.

nickthegreek 3y ago
>It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that. I don't think thats true. They walked back their license BS over fan outrage.
- prepend 3y ago
  That was d&d, I’m talking about magic stuff. Just off the top of my head, they just seem generally incompetent and people keep buying. Here’s some stuff I remember: -underprinting (legends) and overprinting (fallen empires) -saying they wouldn’t reprint things (reserved list) then reprinting some, and monkeying around with it for 5 years -original magic online in early 00s was completely poorly built at the time of lots of other MOOCs and a super lively IRC open source client, Apprentice, that they could have just cloned -launching their new digital game, arena, as desktop only for its first three years -killing their tournament play -cutting out local stores with direct to consumer sales (and massive distribution through Amazon) -$100 “vip” booster packs -poor quality control that makes cards look like pringles -multiple versions of each card with different foiling techniques -firing artists over liking tweets -new product every two months instead of 3-4 times per year -freaking out over leaked spoilers -telling some people what cards would be reprinted beforehand to have them purchase or sell accordingly -not putting shandalar on steam/ never making sequels
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    So true, mtg players are kinda locked in and get roughed up way more than the d&D players by corporate bullshit. I normally only view WoTC through the d&d lens as thats where my hobby lies.
  - throwaway743 3y ago
    To add, regarding Arena at least, it seems like all they give a shit about now is releasing new and older cards meant for commander/brawl. Sure those formats are fun, but they should still focus on the core format and at the very least release some older sets in their entirety rather than just for the sake of commander/brawl play. Also <insert_unfounded_rant_about_the_shuffler> Idk maybe im just getting old and grumpy, but I still love the original format.
    - bart_spoon 3y ago
      Commander is the core format these days. It feels weird to me as someone who grew up on Standard/Modern, but Commander is apparently the most popular by far now. Arena is one of the only places it isn’t, and that’s because Commander isn’t actually supported. But paper still drives card development, not Arena, at least for now. But the rumor is they are working on getting Commander into Arena in the next year or two.
      - throwaway743 3y ago
        Arena does have brawl which is essentially commander with minor differences, but it also still doesn't support more than 2 players
        bart_spoon 3y ago
        I think the 2 players thing is a major difference, unfortunately. My understanding (I don't play Commander) is that it is generally best played with 4 people. That said, someone pointed out that the 4 player requirement makes implementing it on Arena very difficult if not impossible. A single person going AFK or quitting ruins the experience for everyone. There is less of a social contract in place when playing anonymously via Arena, so it seems like it is ripe for frustration.
- t-writescode 3y ago
  Because every single major DnD player promised to: * stop using DnD; and/or, * create the own RPG ruleset and license The alternatives to MtG are fewer and further between and usually of greatly reduced quality relative MtG. There is a meaningful difference here.

protocolture 3y ago

Theres 2 ex pinkertons in upper management I doubt that will fly.