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"But, especially right now, it can be hard for a dev to find a job. " What ?

by jylam 3y ago

brokensegue 3y ago
are you unaware of major layoffs at major employers?
- Insanity 3y ago
  There are plenty of jobs (and recruiters) still reaching out. Just for smaller companies than the tech giants.
  - mortenjorck 3y ago
    As someone laid off from a smaller company, I’ve been competing for those jobs with the people laid off from the tech giants - for almost half a year now.
    - the_only_law 3y ago
      Same here. I think this month marks over 6months. What’s stranger is I don’t even see jobs in job boards anymore, at least not ones that don’t look shady. Most of what I see now on say… LinkedIn is spam postings from iffy looking recruiting firms and consultancies.
      - Alupis 3y ago
        A lot of previous mega-corp SE's have unrealistic ideas of what normal salaries should be, leading to them being rejected based off salary demand, or rejecting offers themselves. No, you aren't going to be paid $450k a year to work on our website... that is fantasy land. There's so many tech jobs available at all sizes of companies, including mega-corps you've never heard of - they're just not as sexy as your FAANG's & co.
        the_only_law 3y ago
        Nice try, but I’ve never worked at or even considered FAANG jobs.
        Alupis 3y ago
        Fair, then you shouldn't have much trouble locating a decent job if you're in the tech and/or software field. Despite FAANG layoffs, the field is booming. Plenty of insurance companies, restaurant conglomerates, car dealership conglomerates, banks, manufacturing companies, big-AG, medicine, commercial property management companies - not to mention all the consulting companies adjacent to nearly every industry imaginable. They all need tech... Tech != FAANG, was the point.
        the_only_law 3y ago
        Fair enough, though I don’t touch consultancies. Which seem to be the mass of jobs I see right now.
  - brewdad 3y ago
    There are plenty of job postings. I'm doubtful as to how many of them urgently need to be filled.
  - speeder 3y ago
    Nobody is reaching out to me... and I don't even see job openings I can send my resume anymore. For example if go to "who is hiring" and do a search for c++ I find almost nothing. The few c++ Jobs that do exist require you to already live nearby because they can't offer relocation assistance or VISA sponsorship. Meanwhile same search years ago I would find plenty of cool openings to send my resume to. I am not even getting recruiter spam anymore where people offer me jobs that are unrelated to my skillset.
    - sgerenser 3y ago
      I was looking for a job 2-3 months ago and the market wasn’t great, but I got solid leads for C++ dev positions at a number of companies. Ended up calling off further contact since I luckily secured a position fairly quickly, but if you’re interested shoot me an e-mail (address in profile) and I’d be happy to forward you the details of the companies/positions.
- nawgz 3y ago
  Are you implying that companies that grew by a factor of two during COVID laying off 10% of their staff means that software is no longer eating the world? There are endless dev jobs, the market's a little softer for pay thanks to megacap collusion once again, but I see an endless list of jobs online...
  - squeaky-clean 3y ago
    Have you tried actually job hunting at the moment? The listings don't respond.
    - nawgz 3y ago
      Haha, recruiters have that problem with me. But fair enough, perhaps it's also more location dependent.
- devnullbrain 3y ago
  They're already hiring again
  - michaelt 3y ago
    If ExampleCo laid off 1000 javascript developers last week and is trying to hire 20 ML developers this week, then it's true to say they're hiring again, but it's also true that it can be hard for a dev to find a job.
    - pizzaknife 3y ago
      just curious - is there a real world scenario where a company has 1k "javascript" developers and can also lay them off without crippling their position in a given market? follow up - what market and which company(FAANG counts but must be a single org)? edit: down votes. look i get the math but who laid off 1k js devs?
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Those have been mostly non-dev roles
sveme 3y ago
A couple of friends and myself got laid off in Germany a short while ago - was really tough finding a new job. Very different compared to a year ago. Same for friends from the US and especially the UK.
moffkalast 3y ago
> "But, especially right now, it can be hard for a dev to find a comically overpaid FAANG job." I think that's what they meant

"But, especially right now, it can be hard for a dev to find a job. " What ?

by jylam 3y ago

"But, especially right now, it can be hard for a dev to find a job. " What ?

brokensegue 3y ago

are you unaware of major layoffs at major employers?

Insanity 3y ago
There are plenty of jobs (and recruiters) still reaching out. Just for smaller companies than the tech giants.
- mortenjorck 3y ago
  As someone laid off from a smaller company, I’ve been competing for those jobs with the people laid off from the tech giants - for almost half a year now.
  - the_only_law 3y ago
    Same here. I think this month marks over 6months. What’s stranger is I don’t even see jobs in job boards anymore, at least not ones that don’t look shady. Most of what I see now on say… LinkedIn is spam postings from iffy looking recruiting firms and consultancies.
    - Alupis 3y ago
      A lot of previous mega-corp SE's have unrealistic ideas of what normal salaries should be, leading to them being rejected based off salary demand, or rejecting offers themselves. No, you aren't going to be paid $450k a year to work on our website... that is fantasy land. There's so many tech jobs available at all sizes of companies, including mega-corps you've never heard of - they're just not as sexy as your FAANG's & co.
      - the_only_law 3y ago
        Nice try, but I’ve never worked at or even considered FAANG jobs.
        Alupis 3y ago
        Fair, then you shouldn't have much trouble locating a decent job if you're in the tech and/or software field. Despite FAANG layoffs, the field is booming. Plenty of insurance companies, restaurant conglomerates, car dealership conglomerates, banks, manufacturing companies, big-AG, medicine, commercial property management companies - not to mention all the consulting companies adjacent to nearly every industry imaginable. They all need tech... Tech != FAANG, was the point.
        the_only_law 3y ago
        Fair enough, though I don’t touch consultancies. Which seem to be the mass of jobs I see right now.
- brewdad 3y ago
  There are plenty of job postings. I'm doubtful as to how many of them urgently need to be filled.
- speeder 3y ago
  Nobody is reaching out to me... and I don't even see job openings I can send my resume anymore. For example if go to "who is hiring" and do a search for c++ I find almost nothing. The few c++ Jobs that do exist require you to already live nearby because they can't offer relocation assistance or VISA sponsorship. Meanwhile same search years ago I would find plenty of cool openings to send my resume to. I am not even getting recruiter spam anymore where people offer me jobs that are unrelated to my skillset.
  - sgerenser 3y ago
    I was looking for a job 2-3 months ago and the market wasn’t great, but I got solid leads for C++ dev positions at a number of companies. Ended up calling off further contact since I luckily secured a position fairly quickly, but if you’re interested shoot me an e-mail (address in profile) and I’d be happy to forward you the details of the companies/positions.
nawgz 3y ago
Are you implying that companies that grew by a factor of two during COVID laying off 10% of their staff means that software is no longer eating the world? There are endless dev jobs, the market's a little softer for pay thanks to megacap collusion once again, but I see an endless list of jobs online...
- squeaky-clean 3y ago
  Have you tried actually job hunting at the moment? The listings don't respond.
  - nawgz 3y ago
    Haha, recruiters have that problem with me. But fair enough, perhaps it's also more location dependent.
devnullbrain 3y ago
They're already hiring again
- michaelt 3y ago
  If ExampleCo laid off 1000 javascript developers last week and is trying to hire 20 ML developers this week, then it's true to say they're hiring again, but it's also true that it can be hard for a dev to find a job.
  - pizzaknife 3y ago
    just curious - is there a real world scenario where a company has 1k "javascript" developers and can also lay them off without crippling their position in a given market? follow up - what market and which company(FAANG counts but must be a single org)? edit: down votes. look i get the math but who laid off 1k js devs?
edgyquant 3y ago
Those have been mostly non-dev roles

sveme 3y ago

A couple of friends and myself got laid off in Germany a short while ago - was really tough finding a new job. Very different compared to a year ago. Same for friends from the US and especially the UK.

moffkalast 3y ago

> "But, especially right now, it can be hard for a dev to find a comically overpaid FAANG job." I think that's what they meant