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He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a l

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

CobrastanJorji 3y ago
Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - CobrastanJorji 3y ago
      I guess it depends what you mean by "impersonate." Are you asking whether they literally claimed to be a police officer? If so, they almost certainly did not. But they probably showed up with a uniform and a brass badge with words like "sergeant" and "national" and "service" on it next to maybe an eagle and a flag, and they probably talked about how the homeowner was in trouble with the law.
      - jjoonathan 3y ago
        Intimidation tactics like that should count as impersonation. If they don't, there's your problem.
      - ipaddr 3y ago
        That would still be under impersonated law enforcement
      - jstarfish 3y ago
        Detectives wear plainclothes. These types flash a badge, mumble the words "detective" and "agency" in the same sentence, then immediately pivot to babbling about fines and jailtime before you have a chance to question their authority. It's a high-pressure sales tactic masquerading as law enforcement, without crossing the line of impersonation. To those ends, they back down quickly when you poke back with childish questions like "wait, so you're not the police?" (If they say yes, they're in trouble.)
  - gabereiser 3y ago
    It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.
    - jjoonathan 3y ago
      "By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.
      - gabereiser 3y ago
        I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.
        jjoonathan 3y ago
        If they used their physique and mentality to suggest that that they were affiliated with law enforcement, that's a problem. If they used their physique and mentality to threaten extrajudicial violence, that's a problem. If they were crystal clear that they didn't represent law enforcement and that they weren't threatening extrajudicial violence, cool. Society has an interest in ensuring that goons can't bluff their way into LEO privileges, so if that's what they did, we have a problem.
    - philsnow 3y ago
      > If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked I haven't played MtG since the 90s, so I'm maybe not clued in on what a "typical magic player" is, but I would expect them to be pretty rules-lawyer-y (both on and off the table) and would stand their ground on principle.
- psychlops 3y ago
  It can, but it's probably a good reminder that people should know their rights. Those who don't will follow along.
- George83728 3y ago
  Particularly when your SO is becoming upset about it. What's more important, some cards that you hadn't intended to purchase in the first place, or the mental well-being of your wife?
JohnFen 3y ago
That's exactly what I would have done. "Tell the cops to come with a warrant, and I'll open the door for them."
- olyjohn 3y ago
  Yep, would have told those dummy mall cops to fuck right off.
midjji 3y ago
Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got rejected from or fired from the police, so however incompetent, cowardly, and violent the cops are, these thugs are worse.
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  >> but they could have broken it down In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.
  - hinkley 3y ago
    I’m shocked the Pinkertons still exist. None of the bigger unions tried to pull strings to get them destroyed for past atrocities against the labor movement?
    - djbusby 3y ago
      Unions are big, but Corporate Money is bigger.
    - dontlaugh 3y ago
      Unions sadly have little power, especially in the US. That may be starting to change, though.
    - midjji 3y ago
      They dont really, they are just an offbrand for securitas who bought up the trademark and brand after they went under.
  - midjji 3y ago
Workaccount2 3y ago
*Closed the door and then called the police to report trespassing.

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

CobrastanJorji 3y ago

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

jjoonathan 3y ago
That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - CobrastanJorji 3y ago
    I guess it depends what you mean by "impersonate." Are you asking whether they literally claimed to be a police officer? If so, they almost certainly did not. But they probably showed up with a uniform and a brass badge with words like "sergeant" and "national" and "service" on it next to maybe an eagle and a flag, and they probably talked about how the homeowner was in trouble with the law.
    - jjoonathan 3y ago
      Intimidation tactics like that should count as impersonation. If they don't, there's your problem.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      That would still be under impersonated law enforcement
    - jstarfish 3y ago
      Detectives wear plainclothes. These types flash a badge, mumble the words "detective" and "agency" in the same sentence, then immediately pivot to babbling about fines and jailtime before you have a chance to question their authority. It's a high-pressure sales tactic masquerading as law enforcement, without crossing the line of impersonation. To those ends, they back down quickly when you poke back with childish questions like "wait, so you're not the police?" (If they say yes, they're in trouble.)
- gabereiser 3y ago
  It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    "By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.
    - gabereiser 3y ago
      I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.
      - jjoonathan 3y ago
        If they used their physique and mentality to suggest that that they were affiliated with law enforcement, that's a problem. If they used their physique and mentality to threaten extrajudicial violence, that's a problem. If they were crystal clear that they didn't represent law enforcement and that they weren't threatening extrajudicial violence, cool. Society has an interest in ensuring that goons can't bluff their way into LEO privileges, so if that's what they did, we have a problem.
  - philsnow 3y ago
    > If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked I haven't played MtG since the 90s, so I'm maybe not clued in on what a "typical magic player" is, but I would expect them to be pretty rules-lawyer-y (both on and off the table) and would stand their ground on principle.
psychlops 3y ago
It can, but it's probably a good reminder that people should know their rights. Those who don't will follow along.
George83728 3y ago
Particularly when your SO is becoming upset about it. What's more important, some cards that you hadn't intended to purchase in the first place, or the mental well-being of your wife?

JohnFen 3y ago

That's exactly what I would have done. "Tell the cops to come with a warrant, and I'll open the door for them."

olyjohn 3y ago
Yep, would have told those dummy mall cops to fuck right off.

midjji 3y ago

Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got rejected from or fired from the police, so however incompetent, cowardly, and violent the cops are, these thugs are worse.

OkayPhysicist 3y ago
>> but they could have broken it down In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.
- hinkley 3y ago
  I’m shocked the Pinkertons still exist. None of the bigger unions tried to pull strings to get them destroyed for past atrocities against the labor movement?
  - djbusby 3y ago
    Unions are big, but Corporate Money is bigger.
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    Unions sadly have little power, especially in the US. That may be starting to change, though.
  - midjji 3y ago
    They dont really, they are just an offbrand for securitas who bought up the trademark and brand after they went under.
- midjji 3y ago

Workaccount2 3y ago

*Closed the door and then called the police to report trespassing.