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>calling the bluff Maybe at smaller companies, and... for now. I'm placing bets that mega-corps will be back to 5 days/week by the end of the year. If "hallway

>calling the bluff Maybe at smaller companies, and... for now. I'm placing bets that mega-corps will be back to 5 days/week by the end of the year. If "hallway conversations" are a reason for 3 days per week, then "the data" will show that 5 days leads to more hallway conversations. Managers want to see their empire. Smaller companies will do what they always do: copy bigger companies. Maybe I'm at peak cynicism, but I suspect we'll end up back where we started. A very small number of remote-first companies (that have always been remote-first), and then everyone else. Big corps will say remote didn't work, despite all evidence to the contrary.

brewdad 3y ago
Agreed. I do think we will end up at a higher plateau of remote work than we had pre-pandemic but all signs point towards the vast majority of workers returning to an office daily. I do truly believe office work is more productive than remote for most workers. I also truly believe that the executives leading the charge to return to offices overstate that impact.
_fat_santa 3y ago
I sense your cynicism and I want to offer a counterpoint. > Managers want to see their empire. Smaller companies will do what they always do: copy bigger companies. I'm a manager at a smaller company and I can tell you we are very much aware that we are not a big corp and that "big co" things are not going to work for us. Me and the other managers I've worked with have read all the "gotta see your empire" comments on HN and other places and our general reaction is: "good, now I know what not to do". I will say at my company, we were all in-office with maybe 5% remote in 2019, now that number is closer to 50%. We are seeing the advantages and the massage from higher ups (VP's, President, CEO) to all middle managers is: adapt or die. The way we look at it is, if we force RTO, all it will do is drive away talent. We now live in a world where you can't look up and see all your reports, some managers like it, some hate it, but the general vibe is: "we have to adapt (and no we are not Google)"

brewdad 3y ago

Agreed. I do think we will end up at a higher plateau of remote work than we had pre-pandemic but all signs point towards the vast majority of workers returning to an office daily. I do truly believe office work is more productive than remote for most workers. I also truly believe that the executives leading the charge to return to offices overstate that impact.

_fat_santa 3y ago

I sense your cynicism and I want to offer a counterpoint. > Managers want to see their empire. Smaller companies will do what they always do: copy bigger companies. I'm a manager at a smaller company and I can tell you we are very much aware that we are not a big corp and that "big co" things are not going to work for us. Me and the other managers I've worked with have read all the "gotta see your empire" comments on HN and other places and our general reaction is: "good, now I know what not to do". I will say at my company, we were all in-office with maybe 5% remote in 2019, now that number is closer to 50%. We are seeing the advantages and the massage from higher ups (VP's, President, CEO) to all middle managers is: adapt or die. The way we look at it is, if we force RTO, all it will do is drive away talent. We now live in a world where you can't look up and see all your reports, some managers like it, some hate it, but the general vibe is: "we have to adapt (and no we are not Google)"