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So we don't descend into flamewar: call out your favorite bug or misbehavior. Example: it takes me far longer to highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it

So we don't descend into flamewar: call out your favorite bug or misbehavior. Example: it takes me far longer to highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it would on Android or a computer. No, it's not a familiarity issue.

smarx007 3y ago
(i)Books got an update with huge margins, making reading experience on XR untenable. Had to install FBReader to work around this.
toxik 3y ago
There was a moment in time when Apple had solved this with 3D touch. It was surgical precautions. But no, 3D touch was nixed and its replacement for text editing is just insanely bad, like makes no sense at all and I can’t even predict it. I have never seen anybody use it.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Press on space bar for a time and you can move around. 3D touch was faster indeed, but it works good enough.
  - toxik 3y ago
    This is exactly the “substitute” that I’m talking about. It doesn’t work the same. It’s really buggy and it’s impossible to use.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      It’s slower to initiate but it’s absolutely false to claim it is buggy or impossible to use — it is literally the exact same behavior, it just has to be initiated in different ways.
      - toxik 3y ago
        Nope, it’s not the same. I had both. The only thing that still works is moving the cursor, selection is completely broken. Will it move the left side of the selection? The right side? Nobody knows. It seems it depends how much you selected. I don’t even know actually.
karaterobot 3y ago
> Example: it takes me far longer to highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it would on Android or a computer. No, it's not a familiarity issue. Ugh, I'm with you on that one. When I switched to iOS two years ago, I was astonished by how hard it was to select text, or even just move the cursor while you're typing. Related: the swipe keyboard on iOS is so much worse than Android. It Tries to be Helpful by Capitalizing random Words, then when you backspace to remove those words, you realize it has introduced some secret markup into the text, so that the word you replace it with is also capitalized. Gets me every time. I was happy with my Android phone, but at the time when I needed to get a new one, Apple was doubling down on (its marketing message about) privacy, and I naively bought into it. Shortly afterwards, they announced your phone would be scanning every image and reporting back to Apple.
- kaba0 3y ago
  > or even just move the cursor while you're typing. You can long press on the space bar and move the cursor around quite well, just a tip. Apple is still orders of magnitudes better from a privacy perspective, and there is no photoscan-and-send-back-to-mothership anywhere. Hell, the whole point of that would have been to enable real e2e photo storage, while they also not hurt any laws (which is not clear on storing child porn on their servers, even if its encrypted).
  - karaterobot 3y ago
    Holy smokes, that's really useful. Thanks for the tip!
Reason077 3y ago
> "highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it would on Android or a computer" Yeah, this is a weird issue on iOS. I feel like it has regressed in the last few years too. It used to work better. Maybe Apple just feels like cut/copy/paste isn't something people should be bothering with on phones?
- DANmode 3y ago
  Based on how often I accidentally find myself in their emoji-input type keyboard while entering text sporadically on the go, you may be onto something.

smarx007 3y ago

(i)Books got an update with huge margins, making reading experience on XR untenable. Had to install FBReader to work around this.

toxik 3y ago

There was a moment in time when Apple had solved this with 3D touch. It was surgical precautions. But no, 3D touch was nixed and its replacement for text editing is just insanely bad, like makes no sense at all and I can’t even predict it. I have never seen anybody use it.

kaba0 3y ago
Press on space bar for a time and you can move around. 3D touch was faster indeed, but it works good enough.
- toxik 3y ago
  This is exactly the “substitute” that I’m talking about. It doesn’t work the same. It’s really buggy and it’s impossible to use.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    It’s slower to initiate but it’s absolutely false to claim it is buggy or impossible to use — it is literally the exact same behavior, it just has to be initiated in different ways.
    - toxik 3y ago
      Nope, it’s not the same. I had both. The only thing that still works is moving the cursor, selection is completely broken. Will it move the left side of the selection? The right side? Nobody knows. It seems it depends how much you selected. I don’t even know actually.

karaterobot 3y ago

> Example: it takes me far longer to highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it would on Android or a computer. No, it's not a familiarity issue. Ugh, I'm with you on that one. When I switched to iOS two years ago, I was astonished by how hard it was to select text, or even just move the cursor while you're typing. Related: the swipe keyboard on iOS is so much worse than Android. It Tries to be Helpful by Capitalizing random Words, then when you backspace to remove those words, you realize it has introduced some secret markup into the text, so that the word you replace it with is also capitalized. Gets me every time. I was happy with my Android phone, but at the time when I needed to get a new one, Apple was doubling down on (its marketing message about) privacy, and I naively bought into it. Shortly afterwards, they announced your phone would be scanning every image and reporting back to Apple.

kaba0 3y ago
> or even just move the cursor while you're typing. You can long press on the space bar and move the cursor around quite well, just a tip. Apple is still orders of magnitudes better from a privacy perspective, and there is no photoscan-and-send-back-to-mothership anywhere. Hell, the whole point of that would have been to enable real e2e photo storage, while they also not hurt any laws (which is not clear on storing child porn on their servers, even if its encrypted).
- karaterobot 3y ago
  Holy smokes, that's really useful. Thanks for the tip!

Reason077 3y ago

> "highlight or otherwise manipulate text than it would on Android or a computer" Yeah, this is a weird issue on iOS. I feel like it has regressed in the last few years too. It used to work better. Maybe Apple just feels like cut/copy/paste isn't something people should be bothering with on phones?

DANmode 3y ago
Based on how often I accidentally find myself in their emoji-input type keyboard while entering text sporadically on the go, you may be onto something.