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No, everyone involved is to blame, just nobody has the fortitude to do do anything about it as long as they are getting paid. If a hitman is paid to kill you, i

by rooshdi 15y ago

No, everyone involved is to blame, just nobody has the fortitude to do do anything about it as long as they are getting paid. If a hitman is paid to kill you, is he not guilty? The problem is everyone is okay with everything, as long as the gun isn't pointed to their heads. This is wrong. People need to realize this and start protesting for the laws to change. Everyone needs to wake up and start taking responsibility for being a pawn in this chess game.

polemic 15y ago
Tone down the hyperbole. Some sysadmin doing the best job (s)he can in the face of a legal request by law enforcement officers is not a 'hitman'.
- rooshdi 15y ago
  Compliance does not excuse them from responsibility. Yes, both are trying the best job they can in the face of a request, but both also have the individual freedom to choose not to execute a hit job. Outrageous actions call for outrageous metaphors.
  - seanp2k2 15y ago
    >"Compliance does not excuse them from responsibility" Please read about how DMCA Safe Harbor works. If we don't comply with it, we are held responsible for the "violations" of our clients. https://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/ Because we're in the US, it's critical that we comply with all the DMCA crap, otherwise DHS/FBI/CIA/whatever will come in and seize our equipment. They've actually done it before when we SWIP'd some stuff for a client, so we didn't get the abuse mail. They just ignored it, and one day some people showed up with a court order and we had to hand over their server (it was a colo.) I see now that this JotForm issue might not be due to DMCA, which is pretty appalling, but to put it lightly, "they [gov't] have ways of making you comply". From this article: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/02/16/online-form-building-startup-jotform-has-its-domain-suspended-by-the-us-secret-service/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/02/16/online-form-buildin... "GoDaddy had complied with a Secret Service request to take down the domain" Are you suggesting that service providers should say "no" to the secret service? Real talk: I really don't think that telling the secret service to get stuffed would turn out well. In fact, since ATT is so in bed with gov't at this point, they'd probably just have our uplink shut off if we tried to pull that.

by rooshdi 15y ago

polemic 15y ago

Tone down the hyperbole. Some sysadmin doing the best job (s)he can in the face of a legal request by law enforcement officers is not a 'hitman'.

rooshdi 15y ago
Compliance does not excuse them from responsibility. Yes, both are trying the best job they can in the face of a request, but both also have the individual freedom to choose not to execute a hit job. Outrageous actions call for outrageous metaphors.
- seanp2k2 15y ago
  >"Compliance does not excuse them from responsibility" Please read about how DMCA Safe Harbor works. If we don't comply with it, we are held responsible for the "violations" of our clients. https://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/ Because we're in the US, it's critical that we comply with all the DMCA crap, otherwise DHS/FBI/CIA/whatever will come in and seize our equipment. They've actually done it before when we SWIP'd some stuff for a client, so we didn't get the abuse mail. They just ignored it, and one day some people showed up with a court order and we had to hand over their server (it was a colo.) I see now that this JotForm issue might not be due to DMCA, which is pretty appalling, but to put it lightly, "they [gov't] have ways of making you comply". From this article: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/02/16/online-form-building-startup-jotform-has-its-domain-suspended-by-the-us-secret-service/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/02/16/online-form-buildin... "GoDaddy had complied with a Secret Service request to take down the domain" Are you suggesting that service providers should say "no" to the secret service? Real talk: I really don't think that telling the secret service to get stuffed would turn out well. In fact, since ATT is so in bed with gov't at this point, they'd probably just have our uplink shut off if we tried to pull that.