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Humans managed to live for most of history without penicillin, or even boiling water, at the cost of most humans dying before making it to adolescence. People m

Humans managed to live for most of history without penicillin, or even boiling water, at the cost of most humans dying before making it to adolescence. People managed to have global communications with only steam ships and telegraph, at the cost of slower pace of information dissemination. NASA managed to make it to the moon with less computing power than the cellphone in your pocket, at high resource, monetary, human and time costs. Cars managed to work with more rudimentary design than today's, without any computers, at the cost of lower life-spans, lower efficiency and higher pollution. You can make many arguments for and against telemetry in developer tools. Not acknowledging that telemetry helps with visibility into how those tools actually work in the wild, which in turn helps lower the incidence of bugs and speed up development, is disingenuous. You can arrive to the conclusion that even inert, opt-in telemetry is not worth it, but don't disregard out of hand the utility of it in helping their development as if it were some crazy idea.

hinkley 3y ago
And yet when NASA went to the moon, they had telemetry data.
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- tredre3 3y ago
  > And yet when NASA went to the moon, they had telemetry data. NASA couldn't obtain that same data locally, they had to know how the vehicle and software behaved in the real situation. NASA's telemetry also ran on their own hardware, not on arbitrary users'. Contrast that to Go, which is used in real situations internally at Google. They don't need to spy on their users, they have first hand experience using the tool.
  - Patrickmi 3y ago
    > Contrast that to Go, which is used in real situations internally at Google. They don't need to spy on their users, they have first hand experience using the tool. And that’s a big disadvantage if I were to scale the usage of Go then I would say startups and middle orgs occupies like 80% if the Go team work according to logic at google scale, Go wouldn’t be this successful
  - revelio 3y ago
    One of the top complaints about Go is that it over-indexes on the quirky way Google does things, so collecting telemetry only from themselves would seem to have the same problem. It is reasonable to want an unbiased sample of the userbase.

hinkley 3y ago

And yet when NASA went to the moon, they had telemetry data.

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tredre3 3y ago
> And yet when NASA went to the moon, they had telemetry data. NASA couldn't obtain that same data locally, they had to know how the vehicle and software behaved in the real situation. NASA's telemetry also ran on their own hardware, not on arbitrary users'. Contrast that to Go, which is used in real situations internally at Google. They don't need to spy on their users, they have first hand experience using the tool.
- Patrickmi 3y ago
  > Contrast that to Go, which is used in real situations internally at Google. They don't need to spy on their users, they have first hand experience using the tool. And that’s a big disadvantage if I were to scale the usage of Go then I would say startups and middle orgs occupies like 80% if the Go team work according to logic at google scale, Go wouldn’t be this successful
- revelio 3y ago
  One of the top complaints about Go is that it over-indexes on the quirky way Google does things, so collecting telemetry only from themselves would seem to have the same problem. It is reasonable to want an unbiased sample of the userbase.