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Was that the same interview in which Elon lied through his teeth and claimed that the Allen, Texas shooter did not hold white supremacist beliefs (despite tons

by bjord 3y ago

Was that the same interview in which Elon lied through his teeth and claimed that the Allen, Texas shooter did not hold white supremacist beliefs (despite tons of open source evidence and even the confirmation of local police) and that Bellingcat does psyops?

mrdatawolf 3y ago
I can't find any reputable sources that confirm he was a white supremacist. Can you post one of the links you have?
- krapp 3y ago
  >I can't find any reputable sources that confirm he was a white supremacist. Yep, there's the weasel word, "reputable." There are plenty of sources, you can simply google it. What sources would you consider "reputable?"
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  I believe he is said to have nazi tattoos.
  - CameronNemo 3y ago
    yes ok source?
    - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
      There is a snopes article which goes over the evidence. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shooting-nazi/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shoo...
  - Auracle 3y ago
    I don’t understand why that means he’s necessarily a white supremacist. For one, chances are he wasn’t all that smart. For two - it could just be that he was an anti-Semite, and so he latched on to Nazi iconography.
- CameronNemo 3y ago
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shooting-nazi/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shoo...
knewter 3y ago
Why are you referring to Mauricio Garcia, the Hispanic shooter, as a white supremacist? I read through ten articles about him just now - all of them said he was a white supremacist, none of them bothered explaining how a Hispanic man was a white supremacist. Surely in a sane world one of them would at least pay lip service to explaining that to me, but nope.
- bestcoder69 3y ago
  Have you ever applied for a job in the US, or answered a census here? White is broken down into Hispanic White and non-Hispanic White in our racial categories. That’s about as official as you can get. Also consider what “Hispanic” means in the first place. Plus, ultimately, anyone can have any beliefs if they really want to. If you’re non-white and try to be a white supremacist, it’s not like the universe will prevent you from doing so.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    It would make you a hispanic supremacist or white hispanic supremacist if using the official categories. Using incorrect labelling is done on purpose to keep a false narrative going and attract more attention.
    - bestcoder69 3y ago
      The media not describing a guy (who checks “Race: White, Ethnicity: Hispanic” on the census), who had a swastika and SS tattoo, as a “Hispanic supremacist” in headlines is maybe the weakest media criticism I’ve ever read. I have the craziest hunch that maybe you aren’t being genuine, but I’ll leave that alone.
      - ipaddr 3y ago
        100 genuine. I would have expected them to use the common latin or spanish. Not white supremacist. That feeds into a stereotype that doesn't exist here. It's like labeling the Oklahoma city bomber a muslim terrorist after 9/11 to fit in with the stereotyping of the day.

by bjord 3y ago

mrdatawolf 3y ago

I can't find any reputable sources that confirm he was a white supremacist. Can you post one of the links you have?

krapp 3y ago
>I can't find any reputable sources that confirm he was a white supremacist. Yep, there's the weasel word, "reputable." There are plenty of sources, you can simply google it. What sources would you consider "reputable?"
amanaplanacanal 3y ago
I believe he is said to have nazi tattoos.
- CameronNemo 3y ago
  yes ok source?
  - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
    There is a snopes article which goes over the evidence. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shooting-nazi/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shoo...
- Auracle 3y ago
  I don’t understand why that means he’s necessarily a white supremacist. For one, chances are he wasn’t all that smart. For two - it could just be that he was an anti-Semite, and so he latched on to Nazi iconography.
CameronNemo 3y ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shooting-nazi/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allen-texas-mall-mass-shoo...

knewter 3y ago

Why are you referring to Mauricio Garcia, the Hispanic shooter, as a white supremacist? I read through ten articles about him just now - all of them said he was a white supremacist, none of them bothered explaining how a Hispanic man was a white supremacist. Surely in a sane world one of them would at least pay lip service to explaining that to me, but nope.

bestcoder69 3y ago
Have you ever applied for a job in the US, or answered a census here? White is broken down into Hispanic White and non-Hispanic White in our racial categories. That’s about as official as you can get. Also consider what “Hispanic” means in the first place. Plus, ultimately, anyone can have any beliefs if they really want to. If you’re non-white and try to be a white supremacist, it’s not like the universe will prevent you from doing so.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  It would make you a hispanic supremacist or white hispanic supremacist if using the official categories. Using incorrect labelling is done on purpose to keep a false narrative going and attract more attention.
  - bestcoder69 3y ago
    The media not describing a guy (who checks “Race: White, Ethnicity: Hispanic” on the census), who had a swastika and SS tattoo, as a “Hispanic supremacist” in headlines is maybe the weakest media criticism I’ve ever read. I have the craziest hunch that maybe you aren’t being genuine, but I’ll leave that alone.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      100 genuine. I would have expected them to use the common latin or spanish. Not white supremacist. That feeds into a stereotype that doesn't exist here. It's like labeling the Oklahoma city bomber a muslim terrorist after 9/11 to fit in with the stereotyping of the day.