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Much better review of new generation framework laptop - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debut-Framework-Laptop-13-5-13th-Gen-Intel-revie

Much better review of new generation framework laptop - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debut-Framework-Laptop-13-5-13th-Gen-Intel-review.714563.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debu...

jeffbee 3y ago
"Very Loud Under Heavy Loads" ... I wonder how hard it is to tune that away. There is no particular need to let these CPUs ramp up to 60W. If it were up to me I would offer a U-series CPU option that can be configured down to 12W.
reacharavindh 3y ago
Indeed. Thanks. I just bought a MacBook Air with M2 yesterday after careful evaluation of Framework 13 for my needs. The tinkerer/engineer in me loves most things about Framework against the MacBook Air. However, a big con was the lack of s2idle sleep and its impact on battery life. I use a Mac for work, and have been spoilt with a machine that lasts longer than a day, and reliably and fastly come back to life when I open the lid. Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss. I don’t want my laptop to lose power while it sits in my backpack and supposed to be doing nothing. It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. May be the younger version of me that had enough spare time to deal with unreliable sleep/resume troubles would have chosen Framework over the MacBook Air.
- pizza234 3y ago
  > Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss AFAIK it's not the CPUs, rather, the motherboards. I have two modern Ryzen systems; one supports S3 out of the box, the other requires some messing.
- senttoschool 3y ago
  >It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. It really hasn't. Check idle watts, package watts under load, performance when unplugged, battery life, laptop chassis temperature. AMD's solutions do not come close.
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fulafel 3y ago
Both seem to be Windows reviews, any Linux ones around?
- CameronNemo 3y ago
  Plenty for earlier generations. Not sure about the recent models. They made chassis, battery, and power consumption (firmware) improvements.
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CameronNemo 3y ago
While I don't doubt that "notebookcheck.net" does a better laptop review than The Guardian, I do consider the fact that The Guardian is reviewing this upstart laptop vendor to be independently notable.

jeffbee 3y ago

"Very Loud Under Heavy Loads" ... I wonder how hard it is to tune that away. There is no particular need to let these CPUs ramp up to 60W. If it were up to me I would offer a U-series CPU option that can be configured down to 12W.

reacharavindh 3y ago

Indeed. Thanks. I just bought a MacBook Air with M2 yesterday after careful evaluation of Framework 13 for my needs. The tinkerer/engineer in me loves most things about Framework against the MacBook Air. However, a big con was the lack of s2idle sleep and its impact on battery life. I use a Mac for work, and have been spoilt with a machine that lasts longer than a day, and reliably and fastly come back to life when I open the lid. Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss. I don’t want my laptop to lose power while it sits in my backpack and supposed to be doing nothing. It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. May be the younger version of me that had enough spare time to deal with unreliable sleep/resume troubles would have chosen Framework over the MacBook Air.

pizza234 3y ago
> Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss AFAIK it's not the CPUs, rather, the motherboards. I have two modern Ryzen systems; one supports S3 out of the box, the other requires some messing.
senttoschool 3y ago
>It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. It really hasn't. Check idle watts, package watts under load, performance when unplugged, battery life, laptop chassis temperature. AMD's solutions do not come close.
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fulafel 3y ago

Both seem to be Windows reviews, any Linux ones around?

CameronNemo 3y ago
Plenty for earlier generations. Not sure about the recent models. They made chassis, battery, and power consumption (firmware) improvements.
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CameronNemo 3y ago

While I don't doubt that "notebookcheck.net" does a better laptop review than The Guardian, I do consider the fact that The Guardian is reviewing this upstart laptop vendor to be independently notable.