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Can we all PLEASE agree to stop using GoDaddy? This is a GoDaddy thing, plain and simple. They get one complaint--they shut your domain name down by changing t

Can we all PLEASE agree to stop using GoDaddy? This is a GoDaddy thing, plain and simple. They get one complaint--they shut your domain name down by changing the name servers to NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM and NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM. Exactly what happened here. This has been going on for at least SIX years now; see http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 (and I saw a hosting company shut down for similar reasons a year before that.) Wasn't their support of SOPA enough? When are we all going to wake up? How many times does this have to happen?! STOP. USING. GODADDY.

adamsmith 15y ago
Yes. For another account, see David Rusenko's blog post about GoDaddy and Weebly: http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-the-internet-under-sopa.html http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-... Their .com doesn't seem to have the same ugly ICE/government/FBI logo landing page, so that seems to also implicate GoDaddy. If that's the case they could get their services up again by just switching registrars and DNS servers. (?)
- ericabiz 15y ago
  If it's anything like the others I've seen, GoDaddy will charge an "administrative fee" of hundreds of dollars to get the domain name turned back on, let alone unlocked and able to be transferred out. I have been telling people this for YEARS. Yet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does.
  - jseliger 15y ago
    Yet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does. This principle also keeps Paypal in business.
    - hga 15y ago
      Indeed, but there are zillions of good alternatives to GoDaddy (shouldn't the name be a clue???), many, sometimes no alternatives to PayPal. (Wasn't I just reading something recently about a payments system startup that isn't likely to extend itself to Australia due to their laws and regulations?)
- icehawk 15y ago
  If you look at the spam-and-abuse.com domain, all the records pointed to it are GoDaddty domains, the IP addresses it uses are GoDaddy's, and the domain itself is registered to GoDaddy: http://xml.ssdsandbox.net/dnslookup/ns1.suspended-for.spam-and-abuse.com http://xml.ssdsandbox.net/dnslookup/ns1.suspended-for.spam-a....
JeremyBanks 15y ago
Seriously. I was prepared to be sympathetic until I saw GoDaddy's involvement. Jotform chose to use a despicable company with a long history of behaving in this way. They shouldn't be surprised when they're the next to get screwed. They're trying to get sympathy from the internet by framing this as an example of SOPA-like abuse after they financially supported a company which supported SOPA. That shouldn't fly.
- freshhawk 15y ago
  Heh, that was exactly my reaction. I was literally reading the statement out loud to a friend of mine as we talked about it and stopped midsentence and said "ha! godaddy. No wonder." But that wasn't because Godaddy supported SOPA, although that does make me feel shadenfreude, it's because I used to work in the domaining industry. I honestly thought that even average web site operators with limited knowledge about registrars would know not to have your business domain on Godaddy. Even accounting for their scale there are a lot of shady episodes like this. The SOPA part is just icing on the cake they were eating instead of doing their due diligence.
zacharycohn 15y ago
GoDaddy may not have fought very hard for Jotform, but I'm pretty sure any US registrar would be hard pressed to the US Government saying "Turn off this website or else."
- JumpCrisscross 15y ago
  At this point it seems negligent at best to host your site on a US or US ally based registrar
  - regularfry 15y ago
    ...or on a .com, .net or .org tld, since "having a business connection with Verisign" is enough to put you under US jurisdiction. Apparently.
    - rmc 15y ago
      The USA judicial system might think you are under their juristiction, but your local juristicion might disagree. I can't wait till they cross the line, and block some .com, then a group in that (non-US) country gets local injunctions forcing it to resolve. It could split DNS or wrestle it out of US control.
      - calloc 15y ago
        http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rojadirecta.org http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rojadirecta.org https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-seized-domain-name-back-claims https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-sei... The domain has still not been returned.
      - canadiancreed 15y ago
        That's assuming your local jurisdiction has a spine. I have multiple .com and .net domains all done through Canadian registars, for the sole purpose of not wanting to deal with the BS that is going on down south. If what I'm reading is true, they can be pulled offline whenever someone gives the word go and they're gone. I have no faith that the local courts will do anything of use, especially with the current government that we have. I'd be hard pressed to think of any western nation that would.
tucson 15y ago
I somehow have the feeling that moving out of GoDaddy won't protect you from any of this. Potentially the US "authorities" can take down your dot com domain (operated by Verisign), your hosting if in US, or maybe even prevent DNS resolutions to your domain inside the US (they can ask large ISPs to update their DNS servers). What you are left with is using a non dot com, non US hosting, and avoid having too much business from US customers. Then you might run into the same in Europe, etc. That does not sound like a good long term strategy.
larrys 15y ago
Wow. There are over 224,000 domains that are linked to spam-and-abuse.com http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/ http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/

adamsmith 15y ago

Yes. For another account, see David Rusenko's blog post about GoDaddy and Weebly: http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-the-internet-under-sopa.html http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-... Their .com doesn't seem to have the same ugly ICE/government/FBI logo landing page, so that seems to also implicate GoDaddy. If that's the case they could get their services up again by just switching registrars and DNS servers. (?)

ericabiz 15y ago
If it's anything like the others I've seen, GoDaddy will charge an "administrative fee" of hundreds of dollars to get the domain name turned back on, let alone unlocked and able to be transferred out. I have been telling people this for YEARS. Yet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does.
- jseliger 15y ago
  Yet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does. This principle also keeps Paypal in business.
  - hga 15y ago
    Indeed, but there are zillions of good alternatives to GoDaddy (shouldn't the name be a clue???), many, sometimes no alternatives to PayPal. (Wasn't I just reading something recently about a payments system startup that isn't likely to extend itself to Australia due to their laws and regulations?)
icehawk 15y ago
If you look at the spam-and-abuse.com domain, all the records pointed to it are GoDaddty domains, the IP addresses it uses are GoDaddy's, and the domain itself is registered to GoDaddy: http://xml.ssdsandbox.net/dnslookup/ns1.suspended-for.spam-and-abuse.com http://xml.ssdsandbox.net/dnslookup/ns1.suspended-for.spam-a....

JeremyBanks 15y ago

Seriously. I was prepared to be sympathetic until I saw GoDaddy's involvement. Jotform chose to use a despicable company with a long history of behaving in this way. They shouldn't be surprised when they're the next to get screwed. They're trying to get sympathy from the internet by framing this as an example of SOPA-like abuse after they financially supported a company which supported SOPA. That shouldn't fly.

freshhawk 15y ago
Heh, that was exactly my reaction. I was literally reading the statement out loud to a friend of mine as we talked about it and stopped midsentence and said "ha! godaddy. No wonder." But that wasn't because Godaddy supported SOPA, although that does make me feel shadenfreude, it's because I used to work in the domaining industry. I honestly thought that even average web site operators with limited knowledge about registrars would know not to have your business domain on Godaddy. Even accounting for their scale there are a lot of shady episodes like this. The SOPA part is just icing on the cake they were eating instead of doing their due diligence.

zacharycohn 15y ago

GoDaddy may not have fought very hard for Jotform, but I'm pretty sure any US registrar would be hard pressed to the US Government saying "Turn off this website or else."

JumpCrisscross 15y ago
At this point it seems negligent at best to host your site on a US or US ally based registrar
- regularfry 15y ago
  ...or on a .com, .net or .org tld, since "having a business connection with Verisign" is enough to put you under US jurisdiction. Apparently.
  - rmc 15y ago
    The USA judicial system might think you are under their juristiction, but your local juristicion might disagree. I can't wait till they cross the line, and block some .com, then a group in that (non-US) country gets local injunctions forcing it to resolve. It could split DNS or wrestle it out of US control.
    - calloc 15y ago
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rojadirecta.org http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rojadirecta.org https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-seized-domain-name-back-claims https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-sei... The domain has still not been returned.
    - canadiancreed 15y ago
      That's assuming your local jurisdiction has a spine. I have multiple .com and .net domains all done through Canadian registars, for the sole purpose of not wanting to deal with the BS that is going on down south. If what I'm reading is true, they can be pulled offline whenever someone gives the word go and they're gone. I have no faith that the local courts will do anything of use, especially with the current government that we have. I'd be hard pressed to think of any western nation that would.

tucson 15y ago

I somehow have the feeling that moving out of GoDaddy won't protect you from any of this. Potentially the US "authorities" can take down your dot com domain (operated by Verisign), your hosting if in US, or maybe even prevent DNS resolutions to your domain inside the US (they can ask large ISPs to update their DNS servers). What you are left with is using a non dot com, non US hosting, and avoid having too much business from US customers. Then you might run into the same in Europe, etc. That does not sound like a good long term strategy.

larrys 15y ago

Wow. There are over 224,000 domains that are linked to spam-and-abuse.com http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/ http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/