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>will the world still be habitable in 20 years' time I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way And dont get me wrong - we arent cl

>will the world still be habitable in 20 years' time I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way And dont get me wrong - we arent climate change deniers, just... pick your battles Why waste your life worrying about something you have tiny impact on?

crooked-v 3y ago
It's anecdotal, of course, but I've definitely seen a number of posts online that amount to 'my spouse and I have decided not to have children, because we don't want to inflict them with the terrible state of the planet in 30 or 40 or 50 years'.
- hardware2win 3y ago
  Ive seen crazy stuff on the internet too! But until I or you manage to meet at least one person with such approach, then I do recommend to do not take it seriously
  - generic92034 3y ago
    I have met several people with that idea in "real life". And now?
    - bitlax 3y ago
      You're just someone on the internet.
      - generic92034 3y ago
        Same as the poster I was replying to. ;)
withinboredom 3y ago
Before having a child, it was something I thought about and my wife and I would occasionally discuss. Now my son asks, "How can you do this to me? You've screwed up our planet and there is nothing I can do for at least ten years," (direct quote after coming home from school yesterday -- he's 9). Our kids are worried about it, more so than our generation, that's for sure.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Man this must be hard on everyone. You and your son included.
  - hanselot 3y ago
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- anjc 3y ago
  Are you going to raise this with the school? It seems highly inappropriate on their part
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Why would I bring my son’s opinions up with the school? Because they learned about global warming? Nah, we had a sit down talk about it and how it isn’t “any one specific person’s” fault.
    - anjc 3y ago
      Maybe I misunderstood but it seemed that he learned it was your fault, rather than this being an opinion he formed.
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        I mean it slightly is. I leave lights on, take long showers, drive a car, and lots of other things.
Aeolos 3y ago
A lot of people in the 18-35 demographic I am talking to are keenly aware of the environmental issues, and have taken steps to change their lifestyle to match. No cars, becoming vegetarian, buying second-hand, reducing travel, reducing consumption. Yes, I may be seeing a bubble - but that is across three different countries, and clearly reflected in car-ownership statistics (down dramatically in younger generations) and in voting preferences.
- hardware2win 3y ago
  We werent talking about consumption reduction and similar. Decision to not have kids because earth may be not livable is infinitly more drastic
chx 3y ago
> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way there's an entire Voluntary Human Extinction Movement...
mschuster91 3y ago
> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way In 20 years not, but it's reasonable to believe for anyone outside America and Central Europe that wide swaths of the planet - particularly the entirety of Africa and lots of Asia - will be unable to support human life. Hell, we're already seeing issues with water supply even in Central Europe, with France restricting water consumptions because of drought [2], and Germany's water reserves are dwindling as well. India is suffering from a massive heat wave [1], and last year's devastation in Australia should still be in living memory. Anyone who is not worried about the future of the planet is either ridiculously ignorant to reality or completely incompetent. And the worst thing is, politicians in power play down climate change, act like future technology (anything from nuclear fusion to desalination plants) will save us, or deny it entirely - and wide swaths to outright majorities of people believe that. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/17/weather-tracker-india-temperatures-hit-40c-heatwave-continues https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/17/weather-... [2] https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/05/10/southern-france-region-to-declare-crisis-drought-level-from-wednesday https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/05/10/southern-france-re...
- hardware2win 3y ago
  >Anyone who is not worried about the future of the planet is either ridiculously ignorant to reality or completely incompetent. Worrying here was reflected by drastic actions. Not worrying didnt mean not worrying at all.
r00fus 3y ago
> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way Do you happen to remember the global wildfires/rivers drying up/massive heat waves in 2020? About a few billion people worldwide / 100m Americans sure do. A larger and larger portion of them are starting to understanding what the cause to that is and are acting accordingly. Every year, we keep hearing how even the most aggressive estimates for climate change were underestimated. That's terrifying and existential to a lot of people including me.

crooked-v 3y ago

It's anecdotal, of course, but I've definitely seen a number of posts online that amount to 'my spouse and I have decided not to have children, because we don't want to inflict them with the terrible state of the planet in 30 or 40 or 50 years'.

hardware2win 3y ago
Ive seen crazy stuff on the internet too! But until I or you manage to meet at least one person with such approach, then I do recommend to do not take it seriously
- generic92034 3y ago
  I have met several people with that idea in "real life". And now?
  - bitlax 3y ago
    You're just someone on the internet.
    - generic92034 3y ago
      Same as the poster I was replying to. ;)

withinboredom 3y ago

Before having a child, it was something I thought about and my wife and I would occasionally discuss. Now my son asks, "How can you do this to me? You've screwed up our planet and there is nothing I can do for at least ten years," (direct quote after coming home from school yesterday -- he's 9). Our kids are worried about it, more so than our generation, that's for sure.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Man this must be hard on everyone. You and your son included.
- hanselot 3y ago
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anjc 3y ago
Are you going to raise this with the school? It seems highly inappropriate on their part
- withinboredom 3y ago
  Why would I bring my son’s opinions up with the school? Because they learned about global warming? Nah, we had a sit down talk about it and how it isn’t “any one specific person’s” fault.
  - anjc 3y ago
    Maybe I misunderstood but it seemed that he learned it was your fault, rather than this being an opinion he formed.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      I mean it slightly is. I leave lights on, take long showers, drive a car, and lots of other things.

Aeolos 3y ago

A lot of people in the 18-35 demographic I am talking to are keenly aware of the environmental issues, and have taken steps to change their lifestyle to match. No cars, becoming vegetarian, buying second-hand, reducing travel, reducing consumption. Yes, I may be seeing a bubble - but that is across three different countries, and clearly reflected in car-ownership statistics (down dramatically in younger generations) and in voting preferences.

hardware2win 3y ago
We werent talking about consumption reduction and similar. Decision to not have kids because earth may be not livable is infinitly more drastic

chx 3y ago

> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way there's an entire Voluntary Human Extinction Movement...

mschuster91 3y ago

> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way In 20 years not, but it's reasonable to believe for anyone outside America and Central Europe that wide swaths of the planet - particularly the entirety of Africa and lots of Asia - will be unable to support human life. Hell, we're already seeing issues with water supply even in Central Europe, with France restricting water consumptions because of drought [2], and Germany's water reserves are dwindling as well. India is suffering from a massive heat wave [1], and last year's devastation in Australia should still be in living memory. Anyone who is not worried about the future of the planet is either ridiculously ignorant to reality or completely incompetent. And the worst thing is, politicians in power play down climate change, act like future technology (anything from nuclear fusion to desalination plants) will save us, or deny it entirely - and wide swaths to outright majorities of people believe that. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/17/weather-tracker-india-temperatures-hit-40c-heatwave-continues https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/17/weather-... [2] https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/05/10/southern-france-region-to-declare-crisis-drought-level-from-wednesday https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/05/10/southern-france-re...

hardware2win 3y ago
>Anyone who is not worried about the future of the planet is either ridiculously ignorant to reality or completely incompetent. Worrying here was reflected by drastic actions. Not worrying didnt mean not worrying at all.

r00fus 3y ago

> I dont know anyone that is seriously worried about this in such a way Do you happen to remember the global wildfires/rivers drying up/massive heat waves in 2020? About a few billion people worldwide / 100m Americans sure do. A larger and larger portion of them are starting to understanding what the cause to that is and are acting accordingly. Every year, we keep hearing how even the most aggressive estimates for climate change were underestimated. That's terrifying and existential to a lot of people including me.