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Framework Laptop 13 Review
- gnufied 3y agoMuch better review of new generation framework laptop - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debut-Framework-Laptop-13-5-13th-Gen-Intel-review.714563.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debu...
- jeffbee 3y ago"Very Loud Under Heavy Loads" ... I wonder how hard it is to tune that away. There is no particular need to let these CPUs ramp up to 60W. If it were up to me I would offer a U-series CPU option that can be configured down to 12W.
- reacharavindh 3y agoIndeed. Thanks. I just bought a MacBook Air with M2 yesterday after careful evaluation of Framework 13 for my needs. The tinkerer/engineer in me loves most things about Framework against the MacBook Air. However, a big con was the lack of s2idle sleep and its impact on battery life. I use a Mac for work, and have been spoilt with a machine that lasts longer than a day, and reliably and fastly come back to life when I open the lid. Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss. I don’t want my laptop to lose power while it sits in my backpack and supposed to be doing nothing. It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. May be the younger version of me that had enough spare time to deal with unreliable sleep/resume troubles would have chosen Framework over the MacBook Air.
- pizza234 3y ago> Intel and AMD have crippled their CPUs to disable deep sleep states to prevent such bliss AFAIK it's not the CPUs, rather, the motherboards. I have two modern Ryzen systems; one supports S3 out of the box, the other requires some messing.
- senttoschool 3y ago>It’s a shame because it appears atleast the Ryzen CPU listed by framework claims to have almost caught up with the base M2. It really hasn't. Check idle watts, package watts under load, performance when unplugged, battery life, laptop chassis temperature. AMD's solutions do not come close.
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- fulafel 3y agoBoth seem to be Windows reviews, any Linux ones around?
- CameronNemo 3y agoPlenty for earlier generations. Not sure about the recent models. They made chassis, battery, and power consumption (firmware) improvements.
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- CameronNemo 3y agoWhile I don't doubt that "notebookcheck.net" does a better laptop review than The Guardian, I do consider the fact that The Guardian is reviewing this upstart laptop vendor to be independently notable.
- Phlogi 3y agoIf they only would add localized keyboards.
- flurdy 3y agoThey do https://frame.work/gb/en/marketplace/keyboards https://frame.work/gb/en/marketplace/keyboards
- theshrike79 3y agoStill no Scandinavian layout and they don't sell it here either...
- thomaslangston 3y agoWould a blank ISO keyboard work? My Google skills are failing me and I can't seem to get a clear answer if the Scandinavian layout fits on ISO keys.
- Y-bar 3y agoScandinavian layout (often called "ISO-nordic") is the exact same ISO/IEC 9995 standard as all other ISO keyboards. Same physical layout. Just a few keys/legends mapped differently.
- OJFord 3y agoIt would be weird if they had the layout and didn't sell into that market yet wouldn't it? They've tended to add appropriate layouts as they've expanded markets afaict.
- G3rn0ti 3y agoEventually they will come up with this. You have to consider Framework being a startup and, hence, not being HP or Lenovo in their production and shipping capacities. In the mean time, go for a US keyboard and swap it for Scandinavian one when available.
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- ddtaylor 3y agoGPU?
- jwithington 3y agoI think the 16" version has a GPU
- G3rn0ti 3y agoLike the Intel models, the AMD versions will come with an eGPU (the Zen 4 chiplet being the more powerful one). In both cases, it is possible to attach an external GPU via thunderbolt / USB4 if you need it.
- nrp 3y agoThe Framework Laptop 13 uses the integrated graphics in the processor. 13th Gen's integrated Intel Xe is passable for lighter titles like GTA V or CS:GO. Beyond that, it supports Thunderbolt eGPUs. We also have the Framework Laptop 16 shipping late this year that has an optional dGPU.
- ddtaylor 3y agoThanks for the timeline. I am a big fan of Framework and I am really impressed with what you guys are doing, but I have certain requirements and need a laptop with a dedicated GPU. Keep up the good work.
- hk1337 3y agoI really like my Framework 13 but I wish I had waited. 1. for the AMD chip 2. for the Framework 16
- G3rn0ti 3y agoYou will be able to swap your mainboard for the AMD one.
- hk1337 3y agoThat's really cool. Takes care of one of my points. I wonder if I can get the 16" laptop without a mainboard? Might as well just get the Framework 16 with AMD mainboard in that case.
- G3rn0ti 3y ago> I wonder if I can get the 16" laptop without a mainboard? I don’t think so. But will probably be able to swap its mainboard, too, and sell the original one. (That is at least when there is a second one available for the 16“. I don’t think the 13“ mainboard will work there and vice versa bc of the GPU module connector.)
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- globular-toast 3y agoWhy is this funny? It's just the identity function. It's an incredibly common pattern in software engineering, why is it funny in hardware?
- thomastjeffery 3y agoBecause it's an obvious waste? The entire point of this laptop is to reduce future ewaste, and they literally manufacture hardware that does the identity function!
- jefft255 3y agoI'm not sure how I would do it otherwise, do you have an idea? The concept is that you can swap for the port you like, if that's USB-C then you have to choose between leaving the adapter slot empty (which you can I guess, even though it's probably awkward to use then), or using said "identity function".
- xgbi 3y agoIsn’t your extension cord the epitome of an identity function? Theirs is exactly that. You could spare it if you really want and plug your usbc directly in the recessed port, but the function is not mere identity, it actually provides an extension (as in: extends the reach of the usb port) function as well.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoYes, but the recess is also part of the design. My criticism is of the thing as a whole. Frankly, an actual extension cable would be much more useful. It's also advertised as if the extended port is the only viable option. It's explicitly recommended to get one for a charging port! Does the charger really not fit in the recessed port? Again, this is all for a laptop that's explicitly advertised as minimizing e-waste.
- deng 3y agoReally really like this, but trackpad without physical buttons I just cannot work with, and it seems that's one of the areas that is not configurable.
- aPoCoMiLogin 3y agothe 16" version can swap trackpad, keyboard etc, so I assume there will be at some point trackpad with buttons
- deng 3y agoThat's nice to hear, but 16" is awfully big. I know, I'm hard to satisfy... So I'll probably just continue to buy old Thinkpads, as they are my "Frameworks" as they are also incredibly serviceable. But well, they are starting to get pretty slow...
- replete 3y agoI can't handle touchpads that don't let you tap to click
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- roland35 3y agoI recently stepped on my framework laptop and crunched the LCD screen. Luckily I was able to purchase a new lid (got an improved lighter and stiffer lid!) And new screen (unfortunately the matte option was out of stock). 45 minutes later I had my old lid and screen removed and my new one installed with no tools beyond their provided torx screwdriver. It was amazing to be able to do that and not need to replace the entire laptop or mail it in for service! While I had it open I installed another 16gb stick of RAM to bump up to 32gb total. I'm debating getting the upgraded motherboard... I may wait another year or two when the performance gap is larger and I find another purpose for the old motherboard. I could 3d print a case for it and use it as a home server, gitlab build runner or bench PC. It's really cool how flexible it is! The raw specs are not the best, the battery life could be better, but I appreciate the mod ability.
- l72 3y agoCooler Master makes a case for them: https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mainboard-case/framework/ https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mainboard-case/fr...
- esun 3y agoThe 3:2 screen is great for coding on the go. Crisp & bright. Will grab the 2nd gen hinges and matte screen when they are in stock.
- rch 3y agoFor earlier versions there was more commentary and information about Linux support. If we're comparing this with other consumer hardware, then it's just okay and I don't think it really stands out. When I upgrade my current Framework, I'll still be looking for top of the line build quality and performance, running Linux out of the box. Right now Linux is a DIY option, and power management is frequently discussed in the community. There are also display quirks that I simply choose to overlook. To be considered successful, I'd expect to get it added as a laptop option at work. Not sure we're there yet.
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- nrp 3y agoWe provide official technical support for Ubuntu LTS and Fedora. Since architecturally, 13th Gen and 12th Gen processors are quite similar, and 12th Gen is now fairly mature, 13th Gen functionality is already stable. The power improvements span both Windows and Linux (61Wh battery with i7 configs, 13th Gen being more efficient, and firmware improvements on the system and Expansion Cards to reduce retimer power consumption).
- rch 3y agoThat's extremely good to know. I hadn't seen the officially supported Linux distributions, or your guide on Fedora. Thanks!
- jeff-davis 3y agoRegarding framework in general (I have 12th gen): I'd like a full-size SD card expansion card for trasferring photos. Other than that and my 12th gen is nearly perfect. A few really minor things that are probably software issues.
- bfrog 3y agoCan I get it with a thinkpad like nub? I despise trackpads
- yrro 3y ago> Intel Core i7-1370P What fresh hell is this? Is this CPU model missing a digit or what?