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Given the name I found it poetic that I could not reach the website because of overly-aggressive cloudflare protection. Wrecked network indeed.

NightrideFM 3y ago
Ahh, I could always turn it off, maybe I will
- callahad 3y ago
  If you want to stick with Cloudflare, you can ease the pain by going into your zone -> Security -> Settings. Disabling Browser Integrity Check and adjusting "Security Level" down to "Essentially Off" should help.
- goodpoint 3y ago
  Please don't use cloudflare.
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    At least a shard of a justification for the oracular? Maybe a link to some rant-list, maybe a coincise stub? (Reply: "goodpoint".)
  - _-____-_ 3y ago
    Why not? Most of the complaints people have with Cloudflare regarding CAPTCHAs and user-hostile behavior are opt-in features that are not enabled by default. A website behind Cloudflare needs to enable extra protection to opt into the CAPTCHAs. If your issue is more generally with a single provider becoming a global MITM for 10% of the internet, then that's a more understandable argument, albeit a meaninglessly existential one.
    - goodpoint 3y ago
      A global MITM is a huge problem for privacy and access to information. Not to mention is anti-competitive. But, importantly, Cloudflare is also very hostile to Tor. A number of people in the world rely on it for their security and safety.
      - _-____-_ 3y ago
        Cloudflare has made demonstrable efforts to accommodate Tor users, and I've personally noticed a reduction in the number of CAPTCHAs I encounter while browsing Cloudflare sites with Tor. They were definitely not required to do this, especially considering that sites like Google give Tor users unsolvable CAPTCHAs or block them altogether. And yet they did, which I took as a gesture of good faith. Some sites are still annoying to browse with Tor, but it's only those that opted into the strictest security settings with their Cloudflare plan. In my experience, the default Cloudflare behavior is not any more unfriendly to Tor than it is to any VPN (which is not too unfriendly, for the most part). I do agree with you that the global MITM is a huge problem for privacy and access to information. I'm just pointing out that Cloudflare has made some good-faith effort to reduce the friction encountered by Tor users. If I had to choose an operator of such a global MITM, Cloudflare might be the least bad choice.
        tga_d 3y ago
        Yeah, as annoying as the CAPTCHAs are, at least Cloudflare is aware of and acknowledges the problem, and is actively working on solutions like Privacy Pass. Much more than can be said for many other services that block Tor.
        goodpoint 3y ago
        > Cloudflare has made some good-faith effort What they did is too little and, especially, too late. They could have very easily disabled the blocking and yet they are still doing it. Besides, you claim that it's done in good faith without backing that claim with evidence. > If I had to choose an operator of such a global MITM, Cloudflare might be the least bad choice. "could be worse" does not make something acceptable.
pulpfictional 3y ago
I'm locked out of so many sites, I loathe it. Cost of rolling in an everything blocker Firefox. At least it helps me find good old-fashioned text based websites.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
That's probably a PEBKAC in terms of your software choices or behaviour. Works fine for most users, you're a fringe case for whatever reason.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  you're a fringe case for whatever reason Everyone is a fringe case eventually. Even you.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    Never encountered it once in thirteen years of using CloudFlare. If it did happen to me eventually as a one-off freak occurrence, that's a temporary fringe event. If it is happening to the commenter continually throughout CF's network then I'd say that's probably their problem. Frequent or consistent? Well, it's probably the user.
    - vsnf 3y ago
      Happens to me too. And surely a bunch of others as well, who just don’t voice it. Defending Firefox and adblock as a fringe case worthy of dismissal is a sad reflection of the current state of the internet.
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        I used Firefox and various ad blockers for years and never had any problems with CloudFlare. VPN usage seems to be a common one as it's often shared with people who abuse it to attack others.
        aunetx 3y ago
        I have this problem, happens for perplexity.ai too for example... I never had issue until two months ago, and now I'm locked out of some quite interesting websites
_-____-_ 3y ago
Note that this behavior is not enabled by default. Websites behind Cloudflare need to opt into it, and they can choose which security level they use (with higher levels necessitating more CAPTCHAs). Also, as someone who browses 100% of the time with a VPN, I hardly ever encounter Cloudflare CAPTCHAs. I've also been encountering less of them when using Tor; it seems Cloudflare has made progress in their efforts to reduce friction for Tor users. On the other hand, Google search frequently doesn't work at all - it refuses to serve me search results and doesn't even offer me the chance to solve a CATPCHA.

NightrideFM 3y ago

Ahh, I could always turn it off, maybe I will

callahad 3y ago
If you want to stick with Cloudflare, you can ease the pain by going into your zone -> Security -> Settings. Disabling Browser Integrity Check and adjusting "Security Level" down to "Essentially Off" should help.
goodpoint 3y ago
Please don't use cloudflare.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  At least a shard of a justification for the oracular? Maybe a link to some rant-list, maybe a coincise stub? (Reply: "goodpoint".)
- _-____-_ 3y ago
  Why not? Most of the complaints people have with Cloudflare regarding CAPTCHAs and user-hostile behavior are opt-in features that are not enabled by default. A website behind Cloudflare needs to enable extra protection to opt into the CAPTCHAs. If your issue is more generally with a single provider becoming a global MITM for 10% of the internet, then that's a more understandable argument, albeit a meaninglessly existential one.
  - goodpoint 3y ago
    A global MITM is a huge problem for privacy and access to information. Not to mention is anti-competitive. But, importantly, Cloudflare is also very hostile to Tor. A number of people in the world rely on it for their security and safety.
    - _-____-_ 3y ago
      Cloudflare has made demonstrable efforts to accommodate Tor users, and I've personally noticed a reduction in the number of CAPTCHAs I encounter while browsing Cloudflare sites with Tor. They were definitely not required to do this, especially considering that sites like Google give Tor users unsolvable CAPTCHAs or block them altogether. And yet they did, which I took as a gesture of good faith. Some sites are still annoying to browse with Tor, but it's only those that opted into the strictest security settings with their Cloudflare plan. In my experience, the default Cloudflare behavior is not any more unfriendly to Tor than it is to any VPN (which is not too unfriendly, for the most part). I do agree with you that the global MITM is a huge problem for privacy and access to information. I'm just pointing out that Cloudflare has made some good-faith effort to reduce the friction encountered by Tor users. If I had to choose an operator of such a global MITM, Cloudflare might be the least bad choice.
      - tga_d 3y ago
        Yeah, as annoying as the CAPTCHAs are, at least Cloudflare is aware of and acknowledges the problem, and is actively working on solutions like Privacy Pass. Much more than can be said for many other services that block Tor.
      - goodpoint 3y ago
        > Cloudflare has made some good-faith effort What they did is too little and, especially, too late. They could have very easily disabled the blocking and yet they are still doing it. Besides, you claim that it's done in good faith without backing that claim with evidence. > If I had to choose an operator of such a global MITM, Cloudflare might be the least bad choice. "could be worse" does not make something acceptable.

pulpfictional 3y ago

I'm locked out of so many sites, I loathe it. Cost of rolling in an everything blocker Firefox. At least it helps me find good old-fashioned text based websites.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

That's probably a PEBKAC in terms of your software choices or behaviour. Works fine for most users, you're a fringe case for whatever reason.

reaperducer 3y ago
you're a fringe case for whatever reason Everyone is a fringe case eventually. Even you.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  Never encountered it once in thirteen years of using CloudFlare. If it did happen to me eventually as a one-off freak occurrence, that's a temporary fringe event. If it is happening to the commenter continually throughout CF's network then I'd say that's probably their problem. Frequent or consistent? Well, it's probably the user.
  - vsnf 3y ago
    Happens to me too. And surely a bunch of others as well, who just don’t voice it. Defending Firefox and adblock as a fringe case worthy of dismissal is a sad reflection of the current state of the internet.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      I used Firefox and various ad blockers for years and never had any problems with CloudFlare. VPN usage seems to be a common one as it's often shared with people who abuse it to attack others.
      - aunetx 3y ago
        I have this problem, happens for perplexity.ai too for example... I never had issue until two months ago, and now I'm locked out of some quite interesting websites

_-____-_ 3y ago

Note that this behavior is not enabled by default. Websites behind Cloudflare need to opt into it, and they can choose which security level they use (with higher levels necessitating more CAPTCHAs). Also, as someone who browses 100% of the time with a VPN, I hardly ever encounter Cloudflare CAPTCHAs. I've also been encountering less of them when using Tor; it seems Cloudflare has made progress in their efforts to reduce friction for Tor users. On the other hand, Google search frequently doesn't work at all - it refuses to serve me search results and doesn't even offer me the chance to solve a CATPCHA.