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That’s not really how it works. It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. It’s operational much easier to do the layoff and then fix the gaps.

by ivalm 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Indeed, the gist of my complaint to my Congressional reps is going to be “Google appears incapable of managing Human Resources at scale and defaults instead to hiring folks on visas at the same time letting a bunch of existing domestic workers go.” “Too hard” to sorting hat a subset of 12k employees into other roles and slash and burn instead? You shouldn’t get H1B quota. We are coming up on an election cycle after all. > but there is no logical or legal reason to do so. Edit: throttled, can’t reply @bubblethink that is what the law and legislation is for, helping corporations along when their actions are too efficient for society’s liking. I expect regulation to catch up to their labor practices.
- bubblethink 3y ago
  The visa status is only incidental in all this. You expect them to prioritize training existing employees or maybe even hire citizens, but there is no logical or legal reason to do so. At Google's level, they have access to the entire global market and they do not care about visa stuff.
- protastus 3y ago
  Big tech does have such a mechanism. The individuals laid off generally get a couple of months to find a new job within the company. In these times there are few open positions but many do get filled by internal applicants who were laid off.
Alupis 3y ago
OK, that is fair. However, it's not fair to claim you cannot find someone to do what probably amounts to run-of-the-mill development work domestically and need to import talent - aka. what H1B's were supposed to be for. For all but highly specialized sub-fields, it is really hard to convince me H1B's are necessary - other than to artificially suppress wages for citizens.
AndrewKemendo 3y ago
This is not ok. This is not an ok way to think about it and certainly not something we should accept, let alone justify as a viable business practice Doing a lot of the wrong thing doesn’t absolve you from responsibility that you have to each individual.
sumedh 3y ago
> It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. Its a good thing that Google is a AI first company. It can use AI to do such fine grained search.

That’s not really how it works. It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. It’s operational much easier to do the layoff and then fix the gaps.

by ivalm 3y ago

That’s not really how it works. It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. It’s operational much easier to do the layoff and then fix the gaps.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Indeed, the gist of my complaint to my Congressional reps is going to be “Google appears incapable of managing Human Resources at scale and defaults instead to hiring folks on visas at the same time letting a bunch of existing domestic workers go.” “Too hard” to sorting hat a subset of 12k employees into other roles and slash and burn instead? You shouldn’t get H1B quota. We are coming up on an election cycle after all. > but there is no logical or legal reason to do so. Edit: throttled, can’t reply @bubblethink that is what the law and legislation is for, helping corporations along when their actions are too efficient for society’s liking. I expect regulation to catch up to their labor practices.

bubblethink 3y ago
The visa status is only incidental in all this. You expect them to prioritize training existing employees or maybe even hire citizens, but there is no logical or legal reason to do so. At Google's level, they have access to the entire global market and they do not care about visa stuff.
protastus 3y ago
Big tech does have such a mechanism. The individuals laid off generally get a couple of months to find a new job within the company. In these times there are few open positions but many do get filled by internal applicants who were laid off.

Alupis 3y ago

OK, that is fair. However, it's not fair to claim you cannot find someone to do what probably amounts to run-of-the-mill development work domestically and need to import talent - aka. what H1B's were supposed to be for. For all but highly specialized sub-fields, it is really hard to convince me H1B's are necessary - other than to artificially suppress wages for citizens.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago

This is not ok. This is not an ok way to think about it and certainly not something we should accept, let alone justify as a viable business practice Doing a lot of the wrong thing doesn’t absolve you from responsibility that you have to each individual.

sumedh 3y ago

> It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. Its a good thing that Google is a AI first company. It can use AI to do such fine grained search.