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Elon Musk says ‘get off your work-from-home bullshit’
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- jmpman 4y agoMoral issue? I disagree. This is a simple competition for skilled labor, where one of the perks up for negotiation is the option to work from home. I’m willing to leave my company for another that guarantees my remote work, and I may be willing to accept lower pay in return. My quality of life is that much better without being in the office.
- spacemadness 4y agoWell, they’ve tried everything but pulling the morality card, so I guess here we are.
- brianjking 4y agoRemote work works.
- opisthenar84 4y agoAre there hard metrics that say remote work hurts workforce performance? I am pretty doubtful there are studies out there that don't have major flaws.
- erik_seaberg 4y agoI would like to see a measure of home vs. a quiet office vs. a noisy open plan hangar. At a glance, Twitter probably chose the latter: https://www.officelovin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/twitter_hq_sf_7.jpg https://www.officelovin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/twitt... “Walls and doors” were on the Joel Test; why did nobody ever start competing on this?
- rektide 4y agoThis is a mild hope, if office space prices undergoes the critical absurd crash they certainly are undergoing: offices & doors.
- mecha_ghidorah 4y agoYou know what? I am positive I am more productive from home but I would still push for working from home even if I wasn't. At this point if you want me at all you have to be willing to let me work from home most of the time. Fuck this idea that we owe maximum productivity to our employers, this is a two way deal and employees are allowed to negotiate their conditions as suits them
- iab 4y agoIs the CEO-to-worker ratio of 398.8 not a moral issue? Hard to take the morality argument seriously here.
- proc0 4y ago> I’m a big believer that people need to be more productive when they’re in person Yet compensation will not be proportional. Part of the reason WFH is good is because workers are getting some options. The evidence is simple, business owners would, and will, prefer robots and AI over people. They want that kind of control. I'm pro capitalism but this is undeniably one of its greatest flaws, which is dehumanizing people in the name of competition and market value.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoIs there a version of capitalism that doesn't suffer from this? It seems like dehumanization is in some ways precisely the mechanism that makes it work.
- proc0 4y agoI'm not sure whether prioritizing profit above all else is necessarily part of capitalism. I can imagine a world where businesses have a different top priority. A business can still survive without cancer-like growth that reaches global levels with tens of thousands of employees and lobby groups. Of course, that world would require every business to agree and not pursue profit, otherwise the ones that do will out-compete the rest. It seems like a much deeper problem than capitalism, and one that is being mitigated the most by capitalism if we compare it to the previous economic systems.
- CrackerNews 4y agoPrioritizing profits is a part of capitalism. Capitalism is simply the private ownership of the means of production, but the interests of the capital owner are to use capital to accumulate wealth, which leads to exploitation of labor being a method. This is especially so versus the falling rate of growth as an industry matures. The tendency of capitalism then is to consolidate into an oligarchy of major dominant corporations and conglomerations, which is that aforementioned cancerous growth. Capitalism won out over previous modes because it outcompeted them. Granting laborers some economic power (as opposed to slavery or serfdom) turned out to be an enabler for economic growth. In the example of WFH, markets could end up winning out in the end as new telework industries outcompete the prior office commute industries. This could end up enabling innovation to be untethered and accelerate.
- 49erfangoniners 4y agoMusk being associated with a worker rights issue is like Jim Cramer backing a stock.
- jleyank 4y agoAll these f*ckin' bosses prattling on about how office time is the only, moral option better be butts in seats 40+ hours like their staff. Or is hypocrisy the only, moral option for management? And unless their staff walks, they can STFU about climate and environment impact.
- sidibe 4y agoIt's the ones that like being able to see and experience their power over employees that hate work from home the most.
- rektide 4y agoIt's worse. He's there & watching like a vulture the employees every move. If you don't also commit 48 hours a week you are considered bad. He is exactly the bad boss personality that isn't hypocritical, just expects total & complete commitment all the time.
- aio2 4y agoYeah, and I say 'fuck you, Elon'
- bdangubic 4y agoI just cannot understand how a single employee of his watching / reading this can stay and work for him… If you are good enough to get a job at Tesla / Twitter / SpaceX you can get a job elsewhere. I makes no sense one, that even one employee would stay there. If he called and offered me $1m/day to work at his office doing epic sh*t I would say Thanks mate, life is too short to work for people like you
- Ancalagon 4y agoAs far as I understand it, Tesla and Twitter actually have a retention problem now. Twitter for obvious reasons, Tesla less obvious. SpaceX has always been a meat-grinder from what I've heard, but the people that stay are loyal for reasons beyond money/wfh/QoL.
- maximus-decimus 4y agoStill seems better than graduate studies. If you wanna throw shit into space for a living, how else are you gonna do it?
- heyoni 4y agoLol. No
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoNot everyone has a private jet to be flown everywhere. But that's because well fed human does not believe hungry human.
- papito 4y agoAs the guy who has kids with female employees in the office outside of his relationships, I guess I know why he wants employees nearby, eh. Also - very RICH about the moral thing. The Edgelord who prides himself on spitting on rules and norms has something to teach us about morality, you see.
- cwilkes 4y agoPerson that sells cars for commuting wants people to commute. News at 11.