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In previously established fields. Nothing net new, some really good increments. Self-driving: I'll bet against that for the next 3 years. Hyperloop? Ha, made yo

In previously established fields. Nothing net new, some really good increments. Self-driving: I'll bet against that for the next 3 years. Hyperloop? Ha, made you look!

panick21_ 3y ago
I really don't understand what people obsession with Hyperloop is. Musk dabbled with it for like a year, released a blue paper and said, I like this idea but I have not time to work on it. Anybody else can take it or leave it and has since mostly ignored the idea. And 10 years later people clown Musk because Hyperloop doesn't exist. > Nothing net new Rapid rocket re-usability is 'nothing net new'. I mean you can argue that Shuttle was 'reusable' but in terms of revolutionary effect, SpaceX is now literally launching more payload to orbit then the rest of the world combined by 2-3x. If that's incremental, I like to know what you consider revolutionary. > In previously established fields. Is your argument here that he has not established a new field of scientific study? Can you prove and example of somebody that created a new 'field'?
- vlovich123 3y ago
  Boring company?
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    Not sure what you are asking. Boring company is not building a Hyperloop. They have said they might do some testing in the future on some of these idea but that is not their primary reason for existing. They are just doing EVs in a tunnel, or 'Loop' how they call it.
    - vlovich123 3y ago
      They’re a tunnel construction company that was supposed to revolutionize how tunnels are made but afaict Musk got bored with it and abandoned it.
      - panick21_ 3y ago
        I know what it is. Not sure why you think he abandoned it. The company exists and continues operating. They just got permission to extend the Las Vegas project. The have a number of test facilities and continue to test and work on their machines. They are 6 years old, after 6 years neither SpaceX nor Tesla revolutionised anything. I don't think the company will be as impactful or successful, and their loop isn't really a great idea. However, calling it a failure because its not as successful as Tesla/SpaceX seems to be using a absurdly high standard.
        vlovich123 3y ago
        > Proposed projects in Los Angeles, Chicago, and Baltimore were ultimately scrapped due to escalating cost calculations by TBC (1) and inactivity by TBC (2). I’m not comparing it to Tesla/SpaceX. I’m comparing it against their goal of significantly cutting the costs of creating those tunnels (1) and abandonment based on their engagement to trying to build tunnels (2). So yes. They’ve so far failed at their goals. And that’s fine. That doesn’t mean the company has failed. The start of a company is marked by repeated failures. So yes, I agree it’s still too early to tell. What I was trying to highlight is why people clown on Musk. It’s not because I think he’ll necessarily fail. But his behavior, from the outside anyway, is exceedingly erratic and unfocused. His constant hype about FSD where he’s at best skirting materially lying to investors. His hype about HyperLoop which turned out to be harder than he likely anticipated. His hype with Boring Company which also appears to have turned out to be harder than anticipated. His hype with Twitter and since it’s a private company hard to say how his takeover has impacted their earnings but certainly I think it’s turned out harder than he anticipated. So again. It’s not about highlighting that Musk is a failure. I don’t think that’s a viable claim. I do think it’s fair to point out that he often can bite off more than he can chew and his behavior does seem erratic and unfocused for someone who’s now responsible for 3 massive companies and a (hopefully) rapidly growing startup. The reason for those ventures though are clearly strategic. Twitter gives him direct access to the masses / a large media platform which is aligned with how he fired the marketing department at Tesla (let’s him shape the narrative more directly). This is potentially akin to Bezos buying WaPo. SpaceX gives him a foot hold in extraterrestrial transport/mining. Tesla gives him energy distribution / transportation. Boring company gives him in-city rapid transit.

In previously established fields. Nothing net new, some really good increments. Self-driving: I'll bet against that for the next 3 years. Hyperloop? Ha, made you look!

panick21_ 3y ago

I really don't understand what people obsession with Hyperloop is. Musk dabbled with it for like a year, released a blue paper and said, I like this idea but I have not time to work on it. Anybody else can take it or leave it and has since mostly ignored the idea. And 10 years later people clown Musk because Hyperloop doesn't exist. > Nothing net new Rapid rocket re-usability is 'nothing net new'. I mean you can argue that Shuttle was 'reusable' but in terms of revolutionary effect, SpaceX is now literally launching more payload to orbit then the rest of the world combined by 2-3x. If that's incremental, I like to know what you consider revolutionary. > In previously established fields. Is your argument here that he has not established a new field of scientific study? Can you prove and example of somebody that created a new 'field'?

vlovich123 3y ago
Boring company?
- panick21_ 3y ago
  Not sure what you are asking. Boring company is not building a Hyperloop. They have said they might do some testing in the future on some of these idea but that is not their primary reason for existing. They are just doing EVs in a tunnel, or 'Loop' how they call it.
  - vlovich123 3y ago
    They’re a tunnel construction company that was supposed to revolutionize how tunnels are made but afaict Musk got bored with it and abandoned it.
    - panick21_ 3y ago
      I know what it is. Not sure why you think he abandoned it. The company exists and continues operating. They just got permission to extend the Las Vegas project. The have a number of test facilities and continue to test and work on their machines. They are 6 years old, after 6 years neither SpaceX nor Tesla revolutionised anything. I don't think the company will be as impactful or successful, and their loop isn't really a great idea. However, calling it a failure because its not as successful as Tesla/SpaceX seems to be using a absurdly high standard.
      - vlovich123 3y ago
        > Proposed projects in Los Angeles, Chicago, and Baltimore were ultimately scrapped due to escalating cost calculations by TBC (1) and inactivity by TBC (2). I’m not comparing it to Tesla/SpaceX. I’m comparing it against their goal of significantly cutting the costs of creating those tunnels (1) and abandonment based on their engagement to trying to build tunnels (2). So yes. They’ve so far failed at their goals. And that’s fine. That doesn’t mean the company has failed. The start of a company is marked by repeated failures. So yes, I agree it’s still too early to tell. What I was trying to highlight is why people clown on Musk. It’s not because I think he’ll necessarily fail. But his behavior, from the outside anyway, is exceedingly erratic and unfocused. His constant hype about FSD where he’s at best skirting materially lying to investors. His hype about HyperLoop which turned out to be harder than he likely anticipated. His hype with Boring Company which also appears to have turned out to be harder than anticipated. His hype with Twitter and since it’s a private company hard to say how his takeover has impacted their earnings but certainly I think it’s turned out harder than he anticipated. So again. It’s not about highlighting that Musk is a failure. I don’t think that’s a viable claim. I do think it’s fair to point out that he often can bite off more than he can chew and his behavior does seem erratic and unfocused for someone who’s now responsible for 3 massive companies and a (hopefully) rapidly growing startup. The reason for those ventures though are clearly strategic. Twitter gives him direct access to the masses / a large media platform which is aligned with how he fired the marketing department at Tesla (let’s him shape the narrative more directly). This is potentially akin to Bezos buying WaPo. SpaceX gives him a foot hold in extraterrestrial transport/mining. Tesla gives him energy distribution / transportation. Boring company gives him in-city rapid transit.