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Can you give some examples of you needing to download your data? What actions did you take based on it? How often do you do it?

by zmnd 3y ago

mrtksn 3y ago
The benefit actually comes from forcing companies to keep good track of the personal data. Now, the personal data is something they need to think about how to handle and store, the downloading part for me so far was about curiosity.
- nforgerit 3y ago
  > The benefit actually comes from forcing companies to keep good track of the personal data Who is checking for that? Can you give me an example of any public authority within the EU that has the operational excellence to even understand how BigTech is collecting and handling data? For Germany I only see Ulrich Kelber who certainly does not have the competence to even understand how BigTech is doing their things.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    It's not about going around and checking but being responsible about it. Thanks to GDPR companies do have someone designated to deal with these things and if they screw up and something bad happens they are liable.
    - zmnd 3y ago
      If it was just a matter of designating someone, major mobile carriers wouldn’t store passwords as plaintext.
    - nforgerit 3y ago
      And here we are at the core problem: Implementing laws without being able enforce them is not only ridiculous but harmful for the credibility of any governmental institution. This is the core problem of all EU tech regulations. Instead of developing operational excellence in their prosecution authorities to be able to track down and punish bad actors, they install regulations for everyone and try to simulate competence harming their own economy.
      - n3150n 3y ago
        > Implementing laws without being able enforce them is not only ridiculous but harmful [...] Not all crimes are preventable, which doesn't mean the laws aren't enforceable. Example: even though murder is illegal, people still commit murder, but they are rightfully punished for it, as the law mandates. > [...] harming their own economy. Do you have any proof that tech regulation is detrimental to the economy?
- zmnd 3y ago
  The fact that you can download some data, presented as “all data”, doesn’t mean that it’s actually properly stored and handled. No way to verify or enforce it.

Can you give some examples of you needing to download your data? What actions did you take based on it? How often do you do it?

by zmnd 3y ago

Can you give some examples of you needing to download your data? What actions did you take based on it? How often do you do it?

mrtksn 3y ago

The benefit actually comes from forcing companies to keep good track of the personal data. Now, the personal data is something they need to think about how to handle and store, the downloading part for me so far was about curiosity.

nforgerit 3y ago
> The benefit actually comes from forcing companies to keep good track of the personal data Who is checking for that? Can you give me an example of any public authority within the EU that has the operational excellence to even understand how BigTech is collecting and handling data? For Germany I only see Ulrich Kelber who certainly does not have the competence to even understand how BigTech is doing their things.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  It's not about going around and checking but being responsible about it. Thanks to GDPR companies do have someone designated to deal with these things and if they screw up and something bad happens they are liable.
  - zmnd 3y ago
    If it was just a matter of designating someone, major mobile carriers wouldn’t store passwords as plaintext.
  - nforgerit 3y ago
    And here we are at the core problem: Implementing laws without being able enforce them is not only ridiculous but harmful for the credibility of any governmental institution. This is the core problem of all EU tech regulations. Instead of developing operational excellence in their prosecution authorities to be able to track down and punish bad actors, they install regulations for everyone and try to simulate competence harming their own economy.
    - n3150n 3y ago
      > Implementing laws without being able enforce them is not only ridiculous but harmful [...] Not all crimes are preventable, which doesn't mean the laws aren't enforceable. Example: even though murder is illegal, people still commit murder, but they are rightfully punished for it, as the law mandates. > [...] harming their own economy. Do you have any proof that tech regulation is detrimental to the economy?
zmnd 3y ago
The fact that you can download some data, presented as “all data”, doesn’t mean that it’s actually properly stored and handled. No way to verify or enforce it.