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The difference is that generative AI is actually useful for ordinary people.

jonplackett 3y ago
And also doesn’t require a you to buy a $3000 computer to use it. The price of VR hardware is still a massive drag on adoption - even if it was AMAZING most people aren’t going to buy the necessary hardware chat GPT, and for a while Midjourney are FREE And they save you time and effort VR=fun(ish) AI=fun+useful
- koito17 3y ago
  > chat GPT, and for a while Midjourney are FREE They are free for now. Eventually OpenAI will no longer be able to subsidize the compute costs of GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 for everybody... But yes, let's enjoy GPT-4 at cheap prices while we still can. I don't think we'll be able to in the near future. I've been interested in a while in running some AI models locally, but ironically, I'd need to purchase a $3,000 computer to do so, and consider the steep hikes to my electricity bill as I run that machine.
  - taneq 3y ago
    Fortunately I specced my laptop for vr so it should be able to quantized LLaMA 7b at least. ;)
  - jonplackett 3y ago
    MS have put it in Bing. Google will catch up and put it in google search. I will happily pay whatever OpenAI charge to not have ads It’s just too useful not to Midjourney is the same. Saves soooooooo much time. It pays for itself for the month in a day
- jayd16 3y ago
  You can get a stand alone headset for $399 but I guess that being a secret even among tech people is also a data point.
  - jonplackett 3y ago
    I have a quest. It’s not a secret. But it’s still $400 more than FREE isn’t it. Even $20 a month is a lot more manageable than a $400 up front + games And chat GPT actually saves you time and money. It’s not just a bit of fun
  - EscapeFromNY 3y ago
    AFAIK all the cheap-ish (< $500) headsets either have awful specs, run android, or come bundled with spyware (or all of the above). Unless I missed a big product launch lately. It's not a secret, more just that tech people don't want what's for sale.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    The bigger problem imo is lack of space. I used to have a VR space set up and would play frequently. But I have now moved and do not want to dedicate a huge amount of precious space to VR gaming.
    - jayd16 3y ago
      Yeah, I think this is a big part of it. Just the general UX problems of hopping into it is a major blocker. I think this is a much bigger hurdle than unit price. Maybe MR will help with this a bit but who knows.
- PeterisP 3y ago
  Generative AI is really expensive hardware-wise, with high marginal costs. For now, a limited quantity usage is sponsored by the companies as PR to increase adoption, but in the long run for practical applications it won't be (can't be!) neither free nor cheap. Current models are intriguing but still need improvements, we know how to get those improvements by larger models, but all that means that the next iteration(s) will cost more money per 'answer'.
  - jonplackett 3y ago
    What I mean is, for an end user, it’s currently cheap and that must be a big factor in adoption. IF you could get average VR for free and awesome VR for £20 a month, then I think the adoption curve would look a hell of a lot different.

And also doesn’t require a you to buy a $3000 computer to use it. The price of VR hardware is still a massive drag on adoption - even if it was AMAZING most people aren’t going to buy the necessary hardware chat GPT, and for a while Midjourney are FREE And they save you time and effort VR=fun(ish) AI=fun+useful

koito17 3y ago
> chat GPT, and for a while Midjourney are FREE They are free for now. Eventually OpenAI will no longer be able to subsidize the compute costs of GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 for everybody... But yes, let's enjoy GPT-4 at cheap prices while we still can. I don't think we'll be able to in the near future. I've been interested in a while in running some AI models locally, but ironically, I'd need to purchase a $3,000 computer to do so, and consider the steep hikes to my electricity bill as I run that machine.
- taneq 3y ago
  Fortunately I specced my laptop for vr so it should be able to quantized LLaMA 7b at least. ;)
- jonplackett 3y ago
  MS have put it in Bing. Google will catch up and put it in google search. I will happily pay whatever OpenAI charge to not have ads It’s just too useful not to Midjourney is the same. Saves soooooooo much time. It pays for itself for the month in a day
jayd16 3y ago
You can get a stand alone headset for $399 but I guess that being a secret even among tech people is also a data point.
- jonplackett 3y ago
  I have a quest. It’s not a secret. But it’s still $400 more than FREE isn’t it. Even $20 a month is a lot more manageable than a $400 up front + games And chat GPT actually saves you time and money. It’s not just a bit of fun
- EscapeFromNY 3y ago
  AFAIK all the cheap-ish (< $500) headsets either have awful specs, run android, or come bundled with spyware (or all of the above). Unless I missed a big product launch lately. It's not a secret, more just that tech people don't want what's for sale.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  The bigger problem imo is lack of space. I used to have a VR space set up and would play frequently. But I have now moved and do not want to dedicate a huge amount of precious space to VR gaming.
  - jayd16 3y ago
    Yeah, I think this is a big part of it. Just the general UX problems of hopping into it is a major blocker. I think this is a much bigger hurdle than unit price. Maybe MR will help with this a bit but who knows.
PeterisP 3y ago
Generative AI is really expensive hardware-wise, with high marginal costs. For now, a limited quantity usage is sponsored by the companies as PR to increase adoption, but in the long run for practical applications it won't be (can't be!) neither free nor cheap. Current models are intriguing but still need improvements, we know how to get those improvements by larger models, but all that means that the next iteration(s) will cost more money per 'answer'.
- jonplackett 3y ago
  What I mean is, for an end user, it’s currently cheap and that must be a big factor in adoption. IF you could get average VR for free and awesome VR for £20 a month, then I think the adoption curve would look a hell of a lot different.