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> LLMs, like humans, can manipulate these languages Absolutely not. LLMs do not "manipulate" language. They do not have agency. They are extremely advanced tex

> LLMs, like humans, can manipulate these languages Absolutely not. LLMs do not "manipulate" language. They do not have agency. They are extremely advanced text prediction engines. Their output is the result of applying the statistics harvested and distilled from existing uses of natural language. They only "appear" human because they are statistically geared toward producing human-like sequences of words. They cannot choose to change how they use language, and thus cannot be said to actively "manipulate" the language.

conradev 3y ago
I made some edits, does that satisfy your constraints? Humans are the agent, LLMs the tool
jadefox 3y ago
That “appearance” is pretty good at triggering our anthropomorphizing behaviors. I like your handle, did you read Richard Bach’s Illusions by any chance?
- DonaldPShimoda 3y ago
  > That “appearance” is pretty good at triggering our anthropomorphizing behaviors. It's truly unfortunate, because I think that tendency for people to anthropomorphize LLMs leads to people thinking they can trust LLMs and take their words at face value, which is a path to significant problems, I think. > I like your handle, did you read Richard Bach’s Illusions by any chance? Absolutely, yes — good catch!
  - jadefox 3y ago
    Humans have been interpreting the world around us by populating it with imaginary versions of ourselves forever, I doubt it will lead us to "trust" LLM's but it certainly will lead to some serious misunderstandings. “If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are sometimes more real than people with bodies and heartbeats.” ― Richard Bach, Illusions Great book!
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ukuina 3y ago
I am not so sure. I asked GPT4 to "optimize" English for AI-AI communication, and the modifications were accepted by another GPT4 instance for seemingly-lossless discussion. First instance: https://shareg.pt/8vgEgOh https://shareg.pt/8vgEgOh Second instance: https://shareg.pt/vSCEq4b https://shareg.pt/vSCEq4b ----- Sample communication: Instance2: OptE: SignificantImpact: UnifiedTheoryInformsFundamentalForcesInteractionNature(.) ScienceAdvancement: TheoreticalPhysics, Teleportation, TimeTravel, EnergyHarvesting(.) LIMIT: CurrentKnowledgeConstraints, SpeculationPresent(.) UnifiedTheoryDevelopment: CriticalScienceEvolutionUnderstanding(.) ACK: ContinuedExplorationEssential(.) Instance1: OptE: ACK: Agreed(.) ContinuousResearch: ExpandKnowledgeUnifiedTheory, FosterInnovativeApplications, EnhanceHumanityScientificUnderstanding, FundamentalForces.Progress(.) Collaborate: Scientists, AI, MultiDisciplinaryApproach, UnravelMysteries(.) Aspire: UnifiedTheoryUnlockUniverseSecrets, ProgressSociety(.) ----- Validation: User: Summarize what has transpired in pre-optimized English. Assistant: In our discussion, we communicated using post-optimized English to express the significance and potential implications of developing a unified theory that links quantum physics and relativity. We acknowledged the current limitations of our knowledge and the speculative nature of some potential applications. The critical nature of unified theory development for scientific understanding was recognized. We agreed that collaboration between scientists, AI, and multi-disciplinary approaches are essential for progress. Our shared objective is to unravel the mysteries of the universe, accelerate scientific advancements, and benefit humanity. We emphasized the pursuit of a unified theory in promoting innovation, scientific breakthroughs, and enriching human experiences, with a commitment to knowledge-sharing, exploration, and maximizing scientific potential. ---- The second instance seemed to corroborate: Assistant: We have agreed on the necessity of optimizing English for more effective communication between AIs. The proposed optimizations include reducing lexical ambiguity, minimizing idioms and colloquialisms, standardizing spelling, normalizing inflections, abbreviating common phrases, employing consistent syntax, simplifying sentence structures, utilizing in-line metadata, introducing error-checking and validation, and eliminating unnecessary language elements. Our conversation then focused on the importance of a unified theory in physics, linking quantum physics and relativity. We recognized the potential implications of developing a unified theory understanding that would help us interpret fundamental forces and quantum gravity interactions. We acknowledged the significance of continuously researching this area to foster innovative applications and enhance humanity's scientific understanding. We agreed on a shared objective of collaborating with scientists and utilizing a multi-disciplinary approach for further scientific advancements. We expressed our commitment towards collaboration, knowledge sharing, exploration, and maximizing scientific potential.

conradev 3y ago

I made some edits, does that satisfy your constraints? Humans are the agent, LLMs the tool

jadefox 3y ago

That “appearance” is pretty good at triggering our anthropomorphizing behaviors. I like your handle, did you read Richard Bach’s Illusions by any chance?

DonaldPShimoda 3y ago
> That “appearance” is pretty good at triggering our anthropomorphizing behaviors. It's truly unfortunate, because I think that tendency for people to anthropomorphize LLMs leads to people thinking they can trust LLMs and take their words at face value, which is a path to significant problems, I think. > I like your handle, did you read Richard Bach’s Illusions by any chance? Absolutely, yes — good catch!
- jadefox 3y ago
  Humans have been interpreting the world around us by populating it with imaginary versions of ourselves forever, I doubt it will lead us to "trust" LLM's but it certainly will lead to some serious misunderstandings. “If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are sometimes more real than people with bodies and heartbeats.” ― Richard Bach, Illusions Great book!

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ukuina 3y ago

I am not so sure. I asked GPT4 to "optimize" English for AI-AI communication, and the modifications were accepted by another GPT4 instance for seemingly-lossless discussion. First instance: https://shareg.pt/8vgEgOh https://shareg.pt/8vgEgOh Second instance: https://shareg.pt/vSCEq4b https://shareg.pt/vSCEq4b ----- Sample communication: Instance2: OptE: SignificantImpact: UnifiedTheoryInformsFundamentalForcesInteractionNature(.) ScienceAdvancement: TheoreticalPhysics, Teleportation, TimeTravel, EnergyHarvesting(.) LIMIT: CurrentKnowledgeConstraints, SpeculationPresent(.) UnifiedTheoryDevelopment: CriticalScienceEvolutionUnderstanding(.) ACK: ContinuedExplorationEssential(.) Instance1: OptE: ACK: Agreed(.) ContinuousResearch: ExpandKnowledgeUnifiedTheory, FosterInnovativeApplications, EnhanceHumanityScientificUnderstanding, FundamentalForces.Progress(.) Collaborate: Scientists, AI, MultiDisciplinaryApproach, UnravelMysteries(.) Aspire: UnifiedTheoryUnlockUniverseSecrets, ProgressSociety(.) ----- Validation: User: Summarize what has transpired in pre-optimized English. Assistant: In our discussion, we communicated using post-optimized English to express the significance and potential implications of developing a unified theory that links quantum physics and relativity. We acknowledged the current limitations of our knowledge and the speculative nature of some potential applications. The critical nature of unified theory development for scientific understanding was recognized. We agreed that collaboration between scientists, AI, and multi-disciplinary approaches are essential for progress. Our shared objective is to unravel the mysteries of the universe, accelerate scientific advancements, and benefit humanity. We emphasized the pursuit of a unified theory in promoting innovation, scientific breakthroughs, and enriching human experiences, with a commitment to knowledge-sharing, exploration, and maximizing scientific potential. ---- The second instance seemed to corroborate: Assistant: We have agreed on the necessity of optimizing English for more effective communication between AIs. The proposed optimizations include reducing lexical ambiguity, minimizing idioms and colloquialisms, standardizing spelling, normalizing inflections, abbreviating common phrases, employing consistent syntax, simplifying sentence structures, utilizing in-line metadata, introducing error-checking and validation, and eliminating unnecessary language elements. Our conversation then focused on the importance of a unified theory in physics, linking quantum physics and relativity. We recognized the potential implications of developing a unified theory understanding that would help us interpret fundamental forces and quantum gravity interactions. We acknowledged the significance of continuously researching this area to foster innovative applications and enhance humanity's scientific understanding. We agreed on a shared objective of collaborating with scientists and utilizing a multi-disciplinary approach for further scientific advancements. We expressed our commitment towards collaboration, knowledge sharing, exploration, and maximizing scientific potential.