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I wonder if all those calling ChatGPT and the like “AI” when it’s nothing of the sort regret doing so now. AI is a scary word for certain groups, while machine

I wonder if all those calling ChatGPT and the like “AI” when it’s nothing of the sort regret doing so now. AI is a scary word for certain groups, while machine learning (which is what this is) isn’t. Now you have a bunch of Luddites with pitchforks looking for a witch to burn. What this act will do is severely stunt the European economy compared to the rest of the world, which will be racing ahead (as long as countries like the US don’t pass similar laws). By the time Europe realizes its mistake, it will be too late to catch up.

tpoacher 3y ago
So what's AI then?
- IAmGraydon 3y ago
  A machine that can think, not a machine that spits out strings of text that fool humans into believing it can think. The map is not the territory.
  - soVeryTired 3y ago
    > The map is not the territory. Turing would argue that if the map resembles the territory so faithfully that you can't distinguish between them, the difference is moot. We're not there yet, but we're a hell of a lot closer than we were ten years ago.
makeitdouble 3y ago
The act is about automated processes, "AI" or not.
- IAmGraydon 3y ago
  Do you think it’s coincidence that it came about during the middle of a massive hype wave with widespread talk of how AI will figuratively take over the world? Automated processes have existed for nearly 100 years.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    Are you blaming them for pushing updates to existing regulations and reacting in a timely manner to the direction the markets are pushing their money into ?
alfalfasprout 3y ago
I really don't agree with this take. Consider, for example, GDPR. Its implementation in Europe essentially forced compliance worldwide (with some smaller companies choosing to just not support users in the EU). And that's a good thing. It's a large enough market that it can and should lead the way in sensible protections. This isn't about luddites looking to burn witches. There are very sensible and immediate risks that we need to get ahead of. As someone in the ML/AI space I'm glad that many of the risks are coming to light. We don't need AGI for there to be serious problems with abuse of language models.
- kortilla 3y ago
  Yes, cookie banners are widely regarded as very good.
  - jdiez17 3y ago
    1) cookie banners are unrelated to the GDPR. 2) implementations of cookie banners that don’t allow users to reject cookies as easily as accepting them are illegal. 3) it is widely regarded as good that companies are obligated to disclose which third parties they are sharing your data with.
    - kortilla 3y ago
      > cookie banners are unrelated to the GDPR. But they showed up to “comply” with gdpr. > implementations of cookie banners that don’t allow users to reject cookies as easily as accepting them are illegal. But they are still everywhere, because GDPR is threatening but largely toothless
  - alwayseasy 3y ago
    Yes, GDPR was all about cookie banners. Quality contribution and argument.
  - permo-w 3y ago
    I’d rather cookie banners than an opt-out system
permo-w 3y ago
when you call something “public action” people—in general—are all for it, but when you call it “government regulation” suddenly people start to get worried. when you say something is “literally” true, the literal and inflexible among us get annoyed when you don’t actually mean literally. words have fluid meaning and unusual connotations and if you can’t accept this you’re in trouble
soVeryTired 3y ago
ChatGPT is most certainly AI: all of machine learning is a subset of the field of AI, as is much of symbolic logic and Bayesian inference. It's a massive and wide-ranging academic discipline. Maybe you're thinking of "AGI", which is a term that appeared in the late 90's to make the distinction between the expert systems of the time and machines that could think like a human?
- moffkalast 3y ago
  Even when considering AGI, by the most generous definitions GPT 4 probably could count as a basic one.
laratied 3y ago
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tpoacher 3y ago

So what's AI then?

IAmGraydon 3y ago
A machine that can think, not a machine that spits out strings of text that fool humans into believing it can think. The map is not the territory.
- soVeryTired 3y ago
  > The map is not the territory. Turing would argue that if the map resembles the territory so faithfully that you can't distinguish between them, the difference is moot. We're not there yet, but we're a hell of a lot closer than we were ten years ago.

makeitdouble 3y ago

The act is about automated processes, "AI" or not.

IAmGraydon 3y ago
Do you think it’s coincidence that it came about during the middle of a massive hype wave with widespread talk of how AI will figuratively take over the world? Automated processes have existed for nearly 100 years.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  Are you blaming them for pushing updates to existing regulations and reacting in a timely manner to the direction the markets are pushing their money into ?

alfalfasprout 3y ago

I really don't agree with this take. Consider, for example, GDPR. Its implementation in Europe essentially forced compliance worldwide (with some smaller companies choosing to just not support users in the EU). And that's a good thing. It's a large enough market that it can and should lead the way in sensible protections. This isn't about luddites looking to burn witches. There are very sensible and immediate risks that we need to get ahead of. As someone in the ML/AI space I'm glad that many of the risks are coming to light. We don't need AGI for there to be serious problems with abuse of language models.

kortilla 3y ago
Yes, cookie banners are widely regarded as very good.
- jdiez17 3y ago
  1) cookie banners are unrelated to the GDPR. 2) implementations of cookie banners that don’t allow users to reject cookies as easily as accepting them are illegal. 3) it is widely regarded as good that companies are obligated to disclose which third parties they are sharing your data with.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    > cookie banners are unrelated to the GDPR. But they showed up to “comply” with gdpr. > implementations of cookie banners that don’t allow users to reject cookies as easily as accepting them are illegal. But they are still everywhere, because GDPR is threatening but largely toothless
- alwayseasy 3y ago
  Yes, GDPR was all about cookie banners. Quality contribution and argument.
- permo-w 3y ago
  I’d rather cookie banners than an opt-out system

permo-w 3y ago

when you call something “public action” people—in general—are all for it, but when you call it “government regulation” suddenly people start to get worried. when you say something is “literally” true, the literal and inflexible among us get annoyed when you don’t actually mean literally. words have fluid meaning and unusual connotations and if you can’t accept this you’re in trouble

soVeryTired 3y ago

ChatGPT is most certainly AI: all of machine learning is a subset of the field of AI, as is much of symbolic logic and Bayesian inference. It's a massive and wide-ranging academic discipline. Maybe you're thinking of "AGI", which is a term that appeared in the late 90's to make the distinction between the expert systems of the time and machines that could think like a human?

moffkalast 3y ago
Even when considering AGI, by the most generous definitions GPT 4 probably could count as a basic one.

laratied 3y ago

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