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Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressiv

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It also mentions that using the larger battery will be possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further improve things).

javajosh 3y ago
Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.
- stavros 3y ago
  As far as I understood it, yes, it is the same chassis. I have last year's 13 and my understanding is that I can just buy the new components and upgrade my laptop.
- miloignis 3y ago
  Gotcha, no worries! The new naming scheme is confusing, because they're retroactively calling their 13 inch laptop "Laptop 13" (meaning, 13 inch screen chassis, as opposed to the new 16 inch screen chassis) at the same time as they're coming out with the mainboard for the 13th generation Intel processors. The new 13th generation Intel processors, with a mainboard that should fit in your Laptop 13 (11th gen) chassis, should give better battery life, and I do think the chassis is about the same, though I think its got the stiffer back and hinges than your 11th gen (though you can order these replacement parts too!). I believe the new Ryzen version (coming out soon, I've pre-ordered) should also be quite good, but we don't have the benchmarks for it yet.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  The article, or maybe some other one, says it's a retronym. They started calling the existing ones 13 now that there is a 16. The parts that aren't obviously for the totally different 16 are all actually compatible with the few exceptions indicated on each special part. Like the AMD motherboard will need a new wifi card and ram I think, and this is indicated on the page for that motherboard. But it fits in the existing cases. Same for the new speakers, battery, hinges, screens. There are some special chromebook versions of some parts and even they fit physically but I think just aren't supported in the bios except with the chromebook mother board. So far until the 16 there have been many small updates but all compatible and no breaking changes. The 16 is one new different platform. I think one new platform after 3 years is not a "constant iterating new chassis..." or however that was worded (phone won't show me that post until after I hit reply) Basically it's not a problem. (I have one from 2 years ago and have already replaced the motherboard from 11th to 12th intel, and the keyboard because of a spill. And am eying the speakers and the battery and the matte screen, and will probably update my hdmi & displayport modules myself.)

javajosh 3y ago

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

stavros 3y ago
As far as I understood it, yes, it is the same chassis. I have last year's 13 and my understanding is that I can just buy the new components and upgrade my laptop.
miloignis 3y ago
Gotcha, no worries! The new naming scheme is confusing, because they're retroactively calling their 13 inch laptop "Laptop 13" (meaning, 13 inch screen chassis, as opposed to the new 16 inch screen chassis) at the same time as they're coming out with the mainboard for the 13th generation Intel processors. The new 13th generation Intel processors, with a mainboard that should fit in your Laptop 13 (11th gen) chassis, should give better battery life, and I do think the chassis is about the same, though I think its got the stiffer back and hinges than your 11th gen (though you can order these replacement parts too!). I believe the new Ryzen version (coming out soon, I've pre-ordered) should also be quite good, but we don't have the benchmarks for it yet.
Brian_K_White 3y ago
The article, or maybe some other one, says it's a retronym. They started calling the existing ones 13 now that there is a 16. The parts that aren't obviously for the totally different 16 are all actually compatible with the few exceptions indicated on each special part. Like the AMD motherboard will need a new wifi card and ram I think, and this is indicated on the page for that motherboard. But it fits in the existing cases. Same for the new speakers, battery, hinges, screens. There are some special chromebook versions of some parts and even they fit physically but I think just aren't supported in the bios except with the chromebook mother board. So far until the 16 there have been many small updates but all compatible and no breaking changes. The 16 is one new different platform. I think one new platform after 3 years is not a "constant iterating new chassis..." or however that was worded (phone won't show me that post until after I hit reply) Basically it's not a problem. (I have one from 2 years ago and have already replaced the motherboard from 11th to 12th intel, and the keyboard because of a spill. And am eying the speakers and the battery and the matte screen, and will probably update my hdmi & displayport modules myself.)