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Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you

Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any laptop user.

flapjaxy 3y ago
I'm in the same boat. Though, I think about it differently; the fact that I can print a case and use the mobo as a headless server is a differentiator for me. I also don't know if it's possible to design an attractive functional chassis that doesn't need iterating. That being said I'd like to see a recycling program, or some way to reduce the environmental impact from upgrades.
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- pcdoodle 3y ago
  eBay: The failed motherboards for instance will probably find new life from people selling their broken boards for $75, then component level repair shops can use the schematics to fix and then resell for $300+. People do this with macbooks "logic boards" without access to schematics and now with framework, the barrier of entry is even lower. Framework is doing something that goes back a long time, people like the parts swap capability (Long term car platforms for instance, created fanatics that became brand ambassadors and love to use this medium as an outlet to show off their ingenuity).
CarVac 3y ago
What's changed about the chassis?
miloignis 3y ago
From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-laptops-13th-gen-intel-upgrade-helps-fix-its-battery-problem/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding you back.
- javajosh 3y ago
  Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
    My understanding is that a first-gen chassis precludes none of the possible updates.
  - miloignis 3y ago
    Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It also mentions that using the larger battery will be possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further improve things).
    - javajosh 3y ago
      Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.
dpatterbee 3y ago
My understanding is that every upgraded component which ships with the new framework can be purchased separately and installed in the 1st generation model. Indeed, this is the primary selling point of the framework. What source have you seen which says differently?
kieranl 3y ago
The chassis is fully compatible with all previous framework laptops.
nrp 3y ago
All of the modules are cross-compatible across 11th Gen, 12th Gen, and 13th Gen Framework Laptops. In the Marketplace, you can also use the compatibility filters in the nav on the left if you’re unsure.

flapjaxy 3y ago

I'm in the same boat. Though, I think about it differently; the fact that I can print a case and use the mobo as a headless server is a differentiator for me. I also don't know if it's possible to design an attractive functional chassis that doesn't need iterating. That being said I'd like to see a recycling program, or some way to reduce the environmental impact from upgrades.

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pcdoodle 3y ago
eBay: The failed motherboards for instance will probably find new life from people selling their broken boards for $75, then component level repair shops can use the schematics to fix and then resell for $300+. People do this with macbooks "logic boards" without access to schematics and now with framework, the barrier of entry is even lower. Framework is doing something that goes back a long time, people like the parts swap capability (Long term car platforms for instance, created fanatics that became brand ambassadors and love to use this medium as an outlet to show off their ingenuity).

CarVac 3y ago

What's changed about the chassis?

miloignis 3y ago

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-laptops-13th-gen-intel-upgrade-helps-fix-its-battery-problem/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding you back.

javajosh 3y ago
Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.
- ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
  My understanding is that a first-gen chassis precludes none of the possible updates.
- miloignis 3y ago
  Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It also mentions that using the larger battery will be possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further improve things).
  - javajosh 3y ago
    Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

dpatterbee 3y ago

My understanding is that every upgraded component which ships with the new framework can be purchased separately and installed in the 1st generation model. Indeed, this is the primary selling point of the framework. What source have you seen which says differently?

kieranl 3y ago

The chassis is fully compatible with all previous framework laptops.

nrp 3y ago

All of the modules are cross-compatible across 11th Gen, 12th Gen, and 13th Gen Framework Laptops. In the Marketplace, you can also use the compatibility filters in the nav on the left if you’re unsure.