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You know what would help for real? Social workers, parents empowering on things digital, educative initiatives for all stakeholders and proper case-by-case pros

You know what would help for real? Social workers, parents empowering on things digital, educative initiatives for all stakeholders and proper case-by-case prosecution by prosecution authorities that are not under-financed and overwhelmed. But hey, this way is easier and gives total government control into hands of possibly bad government actors in the future.

BLKNSLVR 3y ago
You're absolutely right, and I've said as much in the past. Social work and educational solutions actually have a chance of making things better, actually giving children the tools and knowledge to protect themselves. Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. Anecdotal example, but this is seems to be the opposite of wanting to "protect children": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/high-risk-paedophile-prison-release/102312516 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/high-risk-paedophile-...
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. This shows an ignorance of how law enforcement operates in this space. Sometimes it is retroactive as you say, but often it is preemptive. For example, cops sometimes go looking on social media platforms for people soliciting CSAM, strike up a relationship, and talk people who take the bait into a physical meeting, at which point they pull out the badge and a warrant and examine the target's phone for evidence of existing possession. Another approach when potential crimes are reported (eg by a parent who discovers someone attempting to seduce their kid) is to silently take over the victim's role in the conversation and lure the would-be predator into a meeting, at which point the cuffs come out. Anecdotal example, but this is seems to be the opposite of wanting to "protect children" Yes, but what of it? This is a fallacy of composition, which assumes that failures or perverse legal outcomes are all part of some twisted masterplan designed to strip away freedoms. It's just cope, like the arguments in the wake of mass shootings that they are all secretly engineered by the FBI, based on the fact that the FBI or other law enforcement agencies sometimes fail to act on warning signs that seem obvious with hindsight.
  - BLKNSLVR 3y ago
    Excellent points on #1, thanks for mentioning, I'll take those examples on board. Regarding #2, I'm in no way conspiratorial about it, but it's a single data point in the opposite direction, which points to a lack of resources or a well thought out over-arching plan to solve the problem. None of that is conspiracy, it's reality, but it's also embarassing to 'policy', and should be pointed out as such. (I'm in no way saying they're trying to encourage, not at all).
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. Offenders only ever do it once?

BLKNSLVR 3y ago

You're absolutely right, and I've said as much in the past. Social work and educational solutions actually have a chance of making things better, actually giving children the tools and knowledge to protect themselves. Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. Anecdotal example, but this is seems to be the opposite of wanting to "protect children": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/high-risk-paedophile-prison-release/102312516 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/high-risk-paedophile-...

anigbrowl 3y ago
Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. This shows an ignorance of how law enforcement operates in this space. Sometimes it is retroactive as you say, but often it is preemptive. For example, cops sometimes go looking on social media platforms for people soliciting CSAM, strike up a relationship, and talk people who take the bait into a physical meeting, at which point they pull out the badge and a warrant and examine the target's phone for evidence of existing possession. Another approach when potential crimes are reported (eg by a parent who discovers someone attempting to seduce their kid) is to silently take over the victim's role in the conversation and lure the would-be predator into a meeting, at which point the cuffs come out. Anecdotal example, but this is seems to be the opposite of wanting to "protect children" Yes, but what of it? This is a fallacy of composition, which assumes that failures or perverse legal outcomes are all part of some twisted masterplan designed to strip away freedoms. It's just cope, like the arguments in the wake of mass shootings that they are all secretly engineered by the FBI, based on the fact that the FBI or other law enforcement agencies sometimes fail to act on warning signs that seem obvious with hindsight.
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  Excellent points on #1, thanks for mentioning, I'll take those examples on board. Regarding #2, I'm in no way conspiratorial about it, but it's a single data point in the opposite direction, which points to a lack of resources or a well thought out over-arching plan to solve the problem. None of that is conspiracy, it's reality, but it's also embarassing to 'policy', and should be pointed out as such. (I'm in no way saying they're trying to encourage, not at all).
willcipriano 3y ago
> Law enforcement is only a tool for punishment of offenders, it in no way "protects children" because the offense has already occurred. Offenders only ever do it once?