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Sounds desperate now that open source models are quickly catching up without the woke mind virus.

by sergiotapia 3y ago

ChrisClark 3y ago
Imagine calling empathy a virus.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  That term is a bit of a unwarranted meme but it's hard to take seriously the idea that there is not a problem when the model will unquestioningly write hagiography for blue president but absolutely refuse for red one. At the end of the day, these kind of limits are artificial, ideological in nature, do not address a bona fide safety or usability concern, and are only present to stop them getting screamed at. It is not accurate to present that kind of ideological capture as anything to do with "empathy".
  - localplume 3y ago
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- mdp2021 3y ago
  > empathy Not the same thing. I would not go there: let us remain on the prospected regulation of technology, in this case, and reserve distinctions for other conversations. This initiative could have drastic consequences.
- HideousKojima 3y ago
  Choosing to let millions die rather than saying a racial slur is not "empathy": https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457/photo/1 https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457...
- chrisanimal 3y ago
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mdp2021 3y ago
> open source models I read this as a try (conscious or not) to make them illegal.
- sergiotapia 3y ago
  For sure, that was my interpretation as well.
dubcanada 3y ago
I am curious, what part of ChatGPT is "woke mind virus" infected? Is there a particular category or something that it is politically biased on?
- sergiotapia 3y ago
  I will give you two examples of stuff I have experienced: 1. It will tell you jokes about white people, but not jokes about latinos or black people. 2. It will tell you jokes about catholics, but not muslims. If they were at least honest about their hatred of certain people/religions at least I would respect it. I wouldn't like it but I would respect their honesty. It's the doublespeak and the in-your-face lies that rub me the wrong way. I don't like it. Why can't these people just be kind humans and follow the letter of the law and leave themselves out of it. They can't help themselves!
  - briantakita 3y ago
    > I will give you two examples of stuff I have experienced: > 1. It will tell you jokes about white people, but not jokes about latinos or black people. > 2. It will tell you jokes about catholics, but not muslims. I'm not partial of imposing group affiliations as a proxy to personal identity. It goes deeper than a "woke mind virus" but a problem with imposed collectivism where a person is defined as a member of an arbitrary socially defined group. Instead one is free to define oneself however they wish, member of a socially constructed group or not. I also don't agree to be coerced to define another person as how they wish me to define them. I support the freedom to listen & to have a perspective that shall not be infringed. If someone else has a mental or emotional issue with how I define that person, it is that person's problem, not mine...not that I will even attempt to define another person with words. I can only describe with words, not define. Perhaps using words to define a person has it's own set of issues when codified into language & statute.
- tomrod 3y ago
  I tend to think people referring to a "woke mind virus" are eponymous to their own afflictions. A few decades back, the same sort of attitude was present with calling everyone else "sheeple." These attitudinal cousins are reductive to complex things.

Sounds desperate now that open source models are quickly catching up without the woke mind virus.

ChrisClark 3y ago

Imagine calling empathy a virus.

Karunamon 3y ago
That term is a bit of a unwarranted meme but it's hard to take seriously the idea that there is not a problem when the model will unquestioningly write hagiography for blue president but absolutely refuse for red one. At the end of the day, these kind of limits are artificial, ideological in nature, do not address a bona fide safety or usability concern, and are only present to stop them getting screamed at. It is not accurate to present that kind of ideological capture as anything to do with "empathy".
- localplume 3y ago
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mdp2021 3y ago
> empathy Not the same thing. I would not go there: let us remain on the prospected regulation of technology, in this case, and reserve distinctions for other conversations. This initiative could have drastic consequences.
HideousKojima 3y ago
Choosing to let millions die rather than saying a racial slur is not "empathy": https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457/photo/1 https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457...
chrisanimal 3y ago
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mdp2021 3y ago

> open source models I read this as a try (conscious or not) to make them illegal.

sergiotapia 3y ago
For sure, that was my interpretation as well.

dubcanada 3y ago

I am curious, what part of ChatGPT is "woke mind virus" infected? Is there a particular category or something that it is politically biased on?

sergiotapia 3y ago
I will give you two examples of stuff I have experienced: 1. It will tell you jokes about white people, but not jokes about latinos or black people. 2. It will tell you jokes about catholics, but not muslims. If they were at least honest about their hatred of certain people/religions at least I would respect it. I wouldn't like it but I would respect their honesty. It's the doublespeak and the in-your-face lies that rub me the wrong way. I don't like it. Why can't these people just be kind humans and follow the letter of the law and leave themselves out of it. They can't help themselves!
- briantakita 3y ago
  > I will give you two examples of stuff I have experienced: > 1. It will tell you jokes about white people, but not jokes about latinos or black people. > 2. It will tell you jokes about catholics, but not muslims. I'm not partial of imposing group affiliations as a proxy to personal identity. It goes deeper than a "woke mind virus" but a problem with imposed collectivism where a person is defined as a member of an arbitrary socially defined group. Instead one is free to define oneself however they wish, member of a socially constructed group or not. I also don't agree to be coerced to define another person as how they wish me to define them. I support the freedom to listen & to have a perspective that shall not be infringed. If someone else has a mental or emotional issue with how I define that person, it is that person's problem, not mine...not that I will even attempt to define another person with words. I can only describe with words, not define. Perhaps using words to define a person has it's own set of issues when codified into language & statute.
tomrod 3y ago
I tend to think people referring to a "woke mind virus" are eponymous to their own afflictions. A few decades back, the same sort of attitude was present with calling everyone else "sheeple." These attitudinal cousins are reductive to complex things.