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Dumb question but how do you do this? Are you gripping the machine with your hands and literally lifting it from different sides?

vikingerik 3y ago
Not lifting, but you can push the machine horizontally from your normal position with your hands on the buttons. With your hands at the front corners, you can push north-south or east-west or on any such axis. The machines are designed to allow this; the legs and feet have some flex. What's different from people's experience of virtual pinball is that you're moving the machine underneath the ball, not the ball itself. The computer games like Space Cadet let you deflect the ball in open space anywhere on the playfield... that's not really how it works, Microsoft got that wrong, what you're really doing is pushing objects on the playfield either into or away from the ball.
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  Ahhh the legs comment is very interesting. That makes sense
- relwin 3y ago
  If you're playing a pin that's sitting in "cups" (prevents it from sliding) a non-tilting shove on the side will in fact lift the corner slightly -- I measured with a 3-axis accelerometer back in the day. Rather surprising...
mcnnowak 3y ago
You can slap the buttons hard to get the table to wobble a bit, you can tap the cabinet with your wrists, you can grab the table tightly and move a leg or a hip in the opposite direction while keeping your body rigid, you can even slide the whole table if you're feeling desperate and want to burn a warning. It's a super physical game if you're taking risky shots and having to recover from bad situations constantly, and the pros make it look like they're barely nudging at all by taking safe shots and making minor corrections with nudges.
syntheweave 3y ago
Imagine you're gripping the handlebars of a bike - you can push it a little bit laterally, but much more by leaning into a turn. Gripping the side of the machine to nudge works in the same way - you can slap it a little bit to get the ball going off its designed trajectory, but you have to use your legs and core to get it to move a lot, and if the game is set tight that will usually set off the tilt warnings.
beznet 3y ago
Abe Flips has amazing tutorials showing you different nudging techniques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRcCbNNTeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRcCbNNTeU

vikingerik 3y ago

Not lifting, but you can push the machine horizontally from your normal position with your hands on the buttons. With your hands at the front corners, you can push north-south or east-west or on any such axis. The machines are designed to allow this; the legs and feet have some flex. What's different from people's experience of virtual pinball is that you're moving the machine underneath the ball, not the ball itself. The computer games like Space Cadet let you deflect the ball in open space anywhere on the playfield... that's not really how it works, Microsoft got that wrong, what you're really doing is pushing objects on the playfield either into or away from the ball.

fauxpause_ 3y ago
Ahhh the legs comment is very interesting. That makes sense
relwin 3y ago
If you're playing a pin that's sitting in "cups" (prevents it from sliding) a non-tilting shove on the side will in fact lift the corner slightly -- I measured with a 3-axis accelerometer back in the day. Rather surprising...

mcnnowak 3y ago

You can slap the buttons hard to get the table to wobble a bit, you can tap the cabinet with your wrists, you can grab the table tightly and move a leg or a hip in the opposite direction while keeping your body rigid, you can even slide the whole table if you're feeling desperate and want to burn a warning. It's a super physical game if you're taking risky shots and having to recover from bad situations constantly, and the pros make it look like they're barely nudging at all by taking safe shots and making minor corrections with nudges.

syntheweave 3y ago

Imagine you're gripping the handlebars of a bike - you can push it a little bit laterally, but much more by leaning into a turn. Gripping the side of the machine to nudge works in the same way - you can slap it a little bit to get the ball going off its designed trajectory, but you have to use your legs and core to get it to move a lot, and if the game is set tight that will usually set off the tilt warnings.

beznet 3y ago

Abe Flips has amazing tutorials showing you different nudging techniques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRcCbNNTeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRcCbNNTeU