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> They're not actually giving away service that others charge thousands of dollars a month for, for free Sure, I'm fine with that. The problem is that I don't

by mdasen 3y ago

> They're not actually giving away service that others charge thousands of dollars a month for, for free Sure, I'm fine with that. The problem is that I don't know how much it'll cost if I fall out of their free tier. If I go with Bunny.net, I can get bandwidth for $0.005/GB (on their volume tier with 10 PoPs) or $0.01/GB (on their standard tier with 114 PoPs). $1,000 will buy me 200TB of bandwidth on their volume tier. If I'm using 200TB on Cloudflare, what is that going to cost me? $500? $10,000? Fastly's list price is $0.12/GB for the first 10TB + $0.08/GB after that so their price would be $16,400. And I'm sure that at 200TB/mo, I wouldn't be paying Fastly's list price, but at least I have an upper bound on the pricing. With Cloudflare, I really don't know. > "use it and hope for the best, 'till you get a notification from CloudFlare" I'd be fine with this if there were a 30-day migration window that I'd get (or something like that). The problem is that there have been a few stories of Cloudflare moving very quickly against a customer's usage.

yamtaddle 3y ago
Cloudflare's enterprise pricing is, irritatingly, of the "contact us" variety (FYI typically starts around $5k, last I checked, and at least for us they weren't interested in reducing that by cutting all the shit we didn't need, such that they were effectively really expensive on a per-TB basis) but, to be fair, if you're doing any kind of real volume you're going to want to contact sales at those other places, too. Odds are sticker price is just an anchor for negotiations anyway. [EDIT] However, you're right that the lack of even limited pricing transparency makes relying on CloudFlare at lower levels risky because it's hard to know what kind of expenses you might, later, be exposed to.
nathants 3y ago
i serve video via r2 and workers to share with friends. presumably this is fine. i’m building something more serious which will also serve video, and will go with bunny for this reason. negotiation is fine, but should be optional. which tiny startup wants to negotiate with every vendor?
- Wallacy 3y ago
  I have few PB traffic of videos served from R2... that's fine. They just don't want to compete with they own solution.

by mdasen 3y ago

yamtaddle 3y ago

Cloudflare's enterprise pricing is, irritatingly, of the "contact us" variety (FYI typically starts around $5k, last I checked, and at least for us they weren't interested in reducing that by cutting all the shit we didn't need, such that they were effectively really expensive on a per-TB basis) but, to be fair, if you're doing any kind of real volume you're going to want to contact sales at those other places, too. Odds are sticker price is just an anchor for negotiations anyway. [EDIT] However, you're right that the lack of even limited pricing transparency makes relying on CloudFlare at lower levels risky because it's hard to know what kind of expenses you might, later, be exposed to.

nathants 3y ago

i serve video via r2 and workers to share with friends. presumably this is fine. i’m building something more serious which will also serve video, and will go with bunny for this reason. negotiation is fine, but should be optional. which tiny startup wants to negotiate with every vendor?

Wallacy 3y ago
I have few PB traffic of videos served from R2... that's fine. They just don't want to compete with they own solution.