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Foreign actors are motivated to foment discount and internal conflict. This might actually lead to improving working conditions, but that’s not the goal.

moffkalast 3y ago
Or maybe paid shills are insinuating that an international worker's rights movement is some kind of foreign attack on one specific country, in an attempt to discredit it so they can keep exploiting people. Reminds me of what lengths Amazon went to, spending millions on union busting instead of paying people a living wage. I wouldn't put it below them to do a little astroturfing, it probably pays for itself.
- aerhardt 3y ago
  Since this alludes to my comment, as I was the one who said up the tree that that r/antiwork may very well have foreign interests working against the US, I'll say that my account is not anonymous, I'm not American, and I certainly have better uses of my free time than taking a few bucks from Amazon to shill anti-union propaganda.
- biofunsf 3y ago
  Wow I think this is the first time it's been insinuated I'm a paid shill! Also being a noble genuine worker's rights movement AND a movement being amplified by foreign actors aren't mutually exclusive. If you want to cause internal strife of course it makes sense to pick a cause with credibility and grassroots support. Like I'm sure the US would jump at the chance to promote sweeping democratic reforms in its major opponents. That cause sounds pretty noble but the US's interest in promoting it is certainly not noble. Also even the credible threat of something being the result of foreign influence, whether true or not, can already create the desired conflict. As we've demonstrated. Back to the topic, I really have no opinion on whether r/antiwork has malicious influence. I have no idea on that. And either way the cause is still a just one. But my comment above was just noting that if it being influenced then those actors aren't "motivated to improve US working conditions", as the parent commenter said.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
I think it's safe to assume that nothing that happens in r/antiwork or anywhere near it will ever result in anything a sane adult could describe as "improvement". Not even by accident.

moffkalast 3y ago

Or maybe paid shills are insinuating that an international worker's rights movement is some kind of foreign attack on one specific country, in an attempt to discredit it so they can keep exploiting people. Reminds me of what lengths Amazon went to, spending millions on union busting instead of paying people a living wage. I wouldn't put it below them to do a little astroturfing, it probably pays for itself.

aerhardt 3y ago
Since this alludes to my comment, as I was the one who said up the tree that that r/antiwork may very well have foreign interests working against the US, I'll say that my account is not anonymous, I'm not American, and I certainly have better uses of my free time than taking a few bucks from Amazon to shill anti-union propaganda.
biofunsf 3y ago
Wow I think this is the first time it's been insinuated I'm a paid shill! Also being a noble genuine worker's rights movement AND a movement being amplified by foreign actors aren't mutually exclusive. If you want to cause internal strife of course it makes sense to pick a cause with credibility and grassroots support. Like I'm sure the US would jump at the chance to promote sweeping democratic reforms in its major opponents. That cause sounds pretty noble but the US's interest in promoting it is certainly not noble. Also even the credible threat of something being the result of foreign influence, whether true or not, can already create the desired conflict. As we've demonstrated. Back to the topic, I really have no opinion on whether r/antiwork has malicious influence. I have no idea on that. And either way the cause is still a just one. But my comment above was just noting that if it being influenced then those actors aren't "motivated to improve US working conditions", as the parent commenter said.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

I think it's safe to assume that nothing that happens in r/antiwork or anywhere near it will ever result in anything a sane adult could describe as "improvement". Not even by accident.