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Enforcing this is easy. The top high performance GPU manufacturers (Nvidia, AMD, Intel) are all incorporated in the U.S.

slowmovintarget 3y ago
Meaning we won't be able to buy an a100 without a license... Wait, I can't afford an a100 anyway.
- shagie 3y ago
  As a point of trivia, at one time "a" Mac was one of the fastest computers in the world. https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2004/11/ https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2004/11/ and https://www.top500.org/system/173736/ https://www.top500.org/system/173736/ And while 1100 Macs wouldn't exactly be affordable, the idea of trying to limit commercial data centers gets amusing. That system was "only" 12,250.00 GFlop/s - I could do that with a small rack of Mac M1 minis now for less than $10k and fewer computers than are in the local grade school computer room. (and I'm being a bit facetious here) Local authorities looking at power usage and heat dissipation for marijuana growing places might find underground AI training centers.
  - nerpderp82 3y ago
    All the crypto mining hardware flooding the market right now is being bought up by hobbyists training and fine tuning their own models.
    - shagie 3y ago
      My "in my copious free time" ML project is a classifier for cat pictures to reddit cat subs. For example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cat_August_2010-4.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cat_August_2010-4.jp... would get classified as /r/standardissuecat https://stock.adobe.com/fi/images/angry-black-cat/158440149 https://stock.adobe.com/fi/images/angry-black-cat/158440149 would get classified as /r/blackcats and /r/stealthbombers Anyways... that's my hobbyist ML project.
    - slt2021 3y ago
      we needed crypto to crash so that gamers and AI enthusiast could get GPUs
jart 3y ago
Back when crypto was a munition, common people didn't care about being able to invent their own crypto algorithms. They just wanted to use the existing ones, and all they needed to do that was some C code that Phil Zimmermann famously published in a book, to get around export controls. Controlling GPUs won't control the use of AI because GPUs are only needed to train new models. If you just want to use a large language model then CPU works great and you just need one guy to publish the weights. That happened a few months ago with LLaMA. Since then, the open source community has exceeded all expectations democratizing the hardware angle. AI regulators are already checkmated and they don't know it yet. If their goal is to control the use of AI (rather than simply controlling the people building it) then they'd need to go all the way when it comes to tyranny in order to accomplish their goals. Intel would need to execute Order 66 with their Management Engine and operating systems would need to modify their virus scanners to monitor and report the use of linear algebra. It'd be outrageous.

slowmovintarget 3y ago

Meaning we won't be able to buy an a100 without a license... Wait, I can't afford an a100 anyway.

shagie 3y ago
As a point of trivia, at one time "a" Mac was one of the fastest computers in the world. https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2004/11/ https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2004/11/ and https://www.top500.org/system/173736/ https://www.top500.org/system/173736/ And while 1100 Macs wouldn't exactly be affordable, the idea of trying to limit commercial data centers gets amusing. That system was "only" 12,250.00 GFlop/s - I could do that with a small rack of Mac M1 minis now for less than $10k and fewer computers than are in the local grade school computer room. (and I'm being a bit facetious here) Local authorities looking at power usage and heat dissipation for marijuana growing places might find underground AI training centers.
- nerpderp82 3y ago
  All the crypto mining hardware flooding the market right now is being bought up by hobbyists training and fine tuning their own models.
  - shagie 3y ago
    My "in my copious free time" ML project is a classifier for cat pictures to reddit cat subs. For example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cat_August_2010-4.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cat_August_2010-4.jp... would get classified as /r/standardissuecat https://stock.adobe.com/fi/images/angry-black-cat/158440149 https://stock.adobe.com/fi/images/angry-black-cat/158440149 would get classified as /r/blackcats and /r/stealthbombers Anyways... that's my hobbyist ML project.
  - slt2021 3y ago
    we needed crypto to crash so that gamers and AI enthusiast could get GPUs

jart 3y ago

Back when crypto was a munition, common people didn't care about being able to invent their own crypto algorithms. They just wanted to use the existing ones, and all they needed to do that was some C code that Phil Zimmermann famously published in a book, to get around export controls. Controlling GPUs won't control the use of AI because GPUs are only needed to train new models. If you just want to use a large language model then CPU works great and you just need one guy to publish the weights. That happened a few months ago with LLaMA. Since then, the open source community has exceeded all expectations democratizing the hardware angle. AI regulators are already checkmated and they don't know it yet. If their goal is to control the use of AI (rather than simply controlling the people building it) then they'd need to go all the way when it comes to tyranny in order to accomplish their goals. Intel would need to execute Order 66 with their Management Engine and operating systems would need to modify their virus scanners to monitor and report the use of linear algebra. It'd be outrageous.