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Is it really that unique a position? Doesn't Google's pixel phones have a neural core and similar architecture as well?
by jayd16 3y ago
Is it really that unique a position? Doesn't Google's pixel phones have a neural core and similar architecture as well?
- Grustaf 3y agoThe uniqueness is not in hardware it’s in trust. And the ability to make software for normal human beings.
- JustSomeNobody 3y agoTrust. That's an interesting word. Personally, I don't trust corporations. Their motive is always money.
- reaperducer 3y agoPersonally, I don't trust corporations. How do you eat?
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- nawgz 3y agoBecause a food corporation that sells food that kills people is unlikely to make piles of money.
- paganel 3y agoNot for lack of trying. If anyone were to write a chronological history of regulations imposed by different authorities throughoug history I think that it is a fair assumption to make that regulations related to making bread would already show up in the first chapters of the book.
- JustSomeNobody 3y agoSlowly, chewing my food completely.
- Grustaf 3y agoSure, but some corporations take a long term view and sacrifice short term profits in order to ensure that they can keep making money for a long time. And some companies, like Apple, forego short term profits from e.g. selling customer data, because it would undermine customers’ trust in them.
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- whimsicalism 3y agoI don't trust Apple to make usable/working ML products, whereas I do trust Google to do those things. I would never, for instance, rely on Apple's "Translate" when Google is available.
- SoftTalker 3y agoApple's maps, navigation, and routing are also inferior to Google's
- sbuk 3y agoDepend on where you are. In my experience, Google's times are way too optimistic and the route finding in London is shit.
- asveikau 3y agoSounds more like fanboyism to me.
- crazygringo 3y agoA lot of people buy Android. But very few people buy Pixel: > In a world dominated by iPhones and Samsung phones, Google isn't a contender. Since the first Pixel launched in 2016, the entire series has sold 27.6 million units, according to data by analyst firm IDC -- a number that's one-tenth of the 272 million phones Samsung shipped in 2021 alone. Apple's no slouch, having shipped 235 million phones in the same period. [1] [1] https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/why-google-pixels-arent-as-popular-as-iphones-and-samsung-galaxy-phones/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/why-google-pixels-arent-as-...
- JustSomeNobody 3y agoHow is this at all an answer to @jayd16's question? The number of phones Google has sold is completely irrelevant to the fact that they too do local ai and have hardware on device for processing it.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> number of phones Google has sold is completely irrelevant to the fact that they too do local ai How will they make money? For Apple, device purchases make local processing worth it. For Google, who distribute software to varied hardware, subscription is the only way. For reasons from updating to piracy, subscription software tends to be SaaS.
- barkerja 3y agoDoes Google do on-device processing? Or do they have to pander to the lowest denominator, which happens to be their biggest marketshare? If the answer is no, then does it make sense for them to allocate those resources for such a small segment, and potentially alienate its users that choose non-Pixel devices? Also, if the answer is no, this is where Apple would have the upper-hand, given that ALL iOS devices run on hardware created by Apple, giving some guarantees. (I don't know this answer, it's a legitimate ask)
- crazygringo 3y agoBecause jayd16 was responding to samwillis's comment about Apple being in a unique position. Part of that unique position is already being a popular product. Google adding a bunch of local ML features isn't going to move the needle for Google if people aren't buying Pixels in the first place for reasons that have nothing to do with ML. If Google's trying to roll out local ML features but 90% of Android phones can't support them, it's not benefiting Google that much. Hence, Apple's unique position to benefit in a way that Google won't.
- birdyrooster 3y agoGoogle has the absolute worst ARM silicon money can buy (Tensor G2), go look at the benchmarks it's comical they would charge $1800 for a phone with it.
- Grazester 3y agoComical or not it gets the job done and I think this was the idea.
- dzikimarian 3y agoYou don't need to buy Fold to get G2. Stop making false statements.
- janardhanj 3y agoYou get the same Tensor G2 for $450
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- prepend 3y agoGoogle doesn’t want to run local AI. It channels everything through the google Plex on purpose. So while pixel phones may be possible, they don’t want to. Take image processing for example. iPhones will tag faces and create theme sets all locally. Google could too, but they don’t. They send every picture to their cloud to tag and annotate.
- shaklee3 3y agoAnd their service is infinitely better. It's why all iphone owners I know use Google photos.
- prepend 3y agoI think we know different people. I moved off google photos ages ago with google’s product changes and am pretty happy with only iPhone photos. I like this because Apple the corp doesn’t know the individuals in photos and processing happens locally.
- shaklee3 3y agoIt also doesn't know how to do complex text searches on those, but to each their own.
- another2another 3y agoAre you using photos just to do OCR? Seems a pretty niche use case, and something that could be easily met by an App.