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I doubt it's priced in at all - as long as Tim ~tows~ toes (thanks HN!) The Party's line with great enthusiasm, it won't happen unless Apple publicly makes the

I doubt it's priced in at all - as long as Tim ~tows~ toes (thanks HN!) The Party's line with great enthusiasm, it won't happen unless Apple publicly makes the first move. Tim sits on Tsinghua's B-School board, after all. The Party loves Tim, and Tim loves The Party. Obviously, it would be great to see (disclaimer: I use Apple products, own Apple stock & leap call options - so such a scenario would harm me fiscally) because it would signal that the west is tired of China's bullshit and is willing to pay the price to not have to deal with them anymore. That would be a huge statement.

gnu8 3y ago
Toe
- idontwantthis 3y ago
  koetoe?
  - ChoGGi 3y ago
    Toe the starting line
  - aaronbrethorst 3y ago
    Kowtow, but no.
- nytesky 3y ago
  I always thought it was tow, like a tugboat towing something and keeping it aligned. Instead it’s about foot races! “ The phrase means “follow the rules or obey an authority.” “Tow the line” is a misspelling based on “toe” and “tow” sounding the same, but “tow the line” is always an error. The phrase comes from the idea of standing at the starting line before a race (i.e., getting as close as possible without overstepping the mark).”
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Interesting, but I'm going to stick with "tow the line" because it simply makes way more sense and is way more intuitive.
    - Supernaut 3y ago
      Hard disagree on that. The image of aligning your toes with a starting line is what makes sense. By contrast, while you may use a line to pull something behind you, it's never the line itself that you're towing.
      - alienicecream 3y ago
        Strictly speaking, 'toe the line' in this case doesn't make sense either. A runner 'toeing the line' is trying to get as close as possible without overstepping it. The analogy would be if Tim Cook was criticizing the CCP as much as he could without actually crossing them. But he's not doing that, or OP claims he isn't, and that he's doing the opposite, enthusiastically. So even if 'tow the line' is wrong in the sense that's not a recognized idiom, it's more right in the sense that the image of someone pulling weight for somebody else is more like what OP claims that Tim Cook is doing.
        gnu8 3y ago
        The runner crosses the line once the starting gun fires. See it as coming up to the line that one is expected to be at, rather than edging close to a border that one is expected not to overstep.
        alienicecream 3y ago
        Ok, I still don't think it makes much sense. The line in a race is set up for fairness to the runners and spectators, not to advantage the authorities. So stepping up to the line doesn't serve the authorities unduly, which is the claim made against Tim Cook. Also, the runner does not have a more honorable alternative. Running in the bleachers doesn't serve him better in some way than running on the track from the starting line. Pulling a weight for someone else as in the image of 'towing the line' still fits better in this case.

gnu8 3y ago

Toe

idontwantthis 3y ago
koetoe?
- ChoGGi 3y ago
  Toe the starting line
- aaronbrethorst 3y ago
  Kowtow, but no.
nytesky 3y ago
I always thought it was tow, like a tugboat towing something and keeping it aligned. Instead it’s about foot races! “ The phrase means “follow the rules or obey an authority.” “Tow the line” is a misspelling based on “toe” and “tow” sounding the same, but “tow the line” is always an error. The phrase comes from the idea of standing at the starting line before a race (i.e., getting as close as possible without overstepping the mark).”
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Interesting, but I'm going to stick with "tow the line" because it simply makes way more sense and is way more intuitive.
  - Supernaut 3y ago
    Hard disagree on that. The image of aligning your toes with a starting line is what makes sense. By contrast, while you may use a line to pull something behind you, it's never the line itself that you're towing.
    - alienicecream 3y ago
      Strictly speaking, 'toe the line' in this case doesn't make sense either. A runner 'toeing the line' is trying to get as close as possible without overstepping it. The analogy would be if Tim Cook was criticizing the CCP as much as he could without actually crossing them. But he's not doing that, or OP claims he isn't, and that he's doing the opposite, enthusiastically. So even if 'tow the line' is wrong in the sense that's not a recognized idiom, it's more right in the sense that the image of someone pulling weight for somebody else is more like what OP claims that Tim Cook is doing.
      - gnu8 3y ago
        The runner crosses the line once the starting gun fires. See it as coming up to the line that one is expected to be at, rather than edging close to a border that one is expected not to overstep.
        alienicecream 3y ago
        Ok, I still don't think it makes much sense. The line in a race is set up for fairness to the runners and spectators, not to advantage the authorities. So stepping up to the line doesn't serve the authorities unduly, which is the claim made against Tim Cook. Also, the runner does not have a more honorable alternative. Running in the bleachers doesn't serve him better in some way than running on the track from the starting line. Pulling a weight for someone else as in the image of 'towing the line' still fits better in this case.