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Business Insider ran essentially the same story last year: https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-employees-describe-fear-mass-workplace-data-surveillan

by luma 3y ago

Business Insider ran essentially the same story last year: https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-employees-describe-fear-mass-workplace-data-surveillance-wadu-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-employees-des... If you Google "JPM WADU" you'll find communications to employees about the system: https://www.jpmorganchase.com/content/dam/jpmc/jpmorgan-chase-and-co/documents/suppliers-documents/systems-monitoring.pdf https://www.jpmorganchase.com/content/dam/jpmc/jpmorgan-chas... Job listings: https://www.disabledperson.com/jobs/33566500-wadu-tech-and-tools-stream-lead-vice-president https://www.disabledperson.com/jobs/33566500-wadu-tech-and-t... Even patent filings: https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/patents/patent/US-7668849-B1 https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/patents/patent/US-7668849-... This isn't "made up" and it's easily verified with a couple seconds of google.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
Excellent summary. Also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-is-tracking-zoom-calls-workplace-activity-using-wadu-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-is-tracking-z...
nextlevelwizard 3y ago
In your own links I couldn't find anything about constant audio and video recording, body language, stress, whatever monitoring. Just presence, email, call, and some data monitoring. Just because some parts are true doesn't mean it wasn't embellished. Point about the *made up* stuff is that the subreddit in question has a lot of questionable content and straight up lies. Whole point of the subreddit in question is to pain capitalism and every employer as the devil just reaping money out of mistreating their employees.
Aunche 3y ago
This sounds like standard tracking that every financial institution does for compliance purposes.
- rationalist 3y ago
  If it's standard, what other companies are using the same invasive technologies? If it's for compliance, where are the written rules saying they have to use these invasive technologies?
  - Aunche 3y ago
    By invasive technologies, do you mean what is alleged on the Reddit post? My point is that the Business Insider article isn't evidence of this. The article refers to standard monitoring that every financial institution uses to catch financial crime.
mrobins 3y ago
The tool and department seem real but it’s possible the Reddit post is heavily exaggerated. JPMC has thousands of managers. If all of them have access to the strangest/most invasive aspects of the tool described it wouldn’t be a secret. It would also be a great way to create a toxic culture.
- blitzar 3y ago
  Its 100% all made up not real ... > Heres the tool. Ok so it is real, but they have nobody actually working on it. > Heres the employees working on it. Ok so it is real, and they have a team, but it is illegal. > Most of it is mandated by the regulators, and they have a pretty big legal team (dont make me post their linkedin profiles to prove that a bank has a legal department). Ok so it is real, and they have a team, it is legal, but ...
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    Why, why do people do this, why are people defending it? It's mind boggling to me that anyone would try and find a way to make this make sense
    - krolden 3y ago
      This is a capitalist technophile news aggregator owned by a VC firm.
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- indrora 3y ago
  A friend of mine just recently did a stint with an outside firm that worked with JPMC. She readily confirmed that her JPMC laptop shipped to her via her company's address, and her outside management had informed her to "be careful with it." Her JPMC management told her that she had to put it on a "normal network" after she got a dedicated LTE network for it that was literally only used by that device alone. She was reprimanded for not turning on her webcam during meetings, and JPMC IT emailed her when she physically disconnected the camera on her (outside) management's advice after being (again) reprimanded for working in the nude at her desk in her own home. She said "Sorry the camera just stopped working" and the next day a new machine arrived at her home, the address of which was not given to JPMC at any time. This is how they treat outside contractors. This outside firm has decided to never work with JPMC again and cut off the contract early.
lucozade 3y ago
What is written in that JPM doc is completely standard in banking as it's mandated by most, if not all, regulators. It's not a JPM thing. Some of the items in the original post, like face recognition from internal cameras, are definitely not required. I have no idea whether or not that's actually true though. But what's in that doc about tracking messaging, phones, building access etc is definitely all happening because they absolutely have to and are regularly audited on it.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  >What is written in that JPM doc is completely standard in banking as it's mandated by most, if not all, regulators. It's not a JPM thing. Then maybe lets roll it back for everyone cause it's a total disaster
tootie 3y ago
That sounds like compliance enforcement. Monitoring external communications is more or less required by law to prevent insider trading.
- rationalist 3y ago
  Does the law say they have to use more invasive technologies than necessary?
halamadrid 3y ago
I can assure you this article is 98% made up stuff. Source: MD at JPMC. WADU exists, but it does nothing even close to what is being made up in this post on reddit. Just because some terms can be cross referenced doesn't mean the entire thing is true. IMO they don't even have the skills to do this even if they wanted to. It almost feels like how Councilman Jamm in the TV show Parks and Recreation convinces the crowd of what he wants with some random arbitrary references to real things while mixing it up so much lies.

by luma 3y ago

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

Excellent summary. Also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-is-tracking-zoom-calls-workplace-activity-using-wadu-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-chase-is-tracking-z...

nextlevelwizard 3y ago

In your own links I couldn't find anything about constant audio and video recording, body language, stress, whatever monitoring. Just presence, email, call, and some data monitoring. Just because some parts are true doesn't mean it wasn't embellished. Point about the *made up* stuff is that the subreddit in question has a lot of questionable content and straight up lies. Whole point of the subreddit in question is to pain capitalism and every employer as the devil just reaping money out of mistreating their employees.

Aunche 3y ago

This sounds like standard tracking that every financial institution does for compliance purposes.

rationalist 3y ago
If it's standard, what other companies are using the same invasive technologies? If it's for compliance, where are the written rules saying they have to use these invasive technologies?
- Aunche 3y ago
  By invasive technologies, do you mean what is alleged on the Reddit post? My point is that the Business Insider article isn't evidence of this. The article refers to standard monitoring that every financial institution uses to catch financial crime.

mrobins 3y ago

The tool and department seem real but it’s possible the Reddit post is heavily exaggerated. JPMC has thousands of managers. If all of them have access to the strangest/most invasive aspects of the tool described it wouldn’t be a secret. It would also be a great way to create a toxic culture.

blitzar 3y ago
Its 100% all made up not real ... > Heres the tool. Ok so it is real, but they have nobody actually working on it. > Heres the employees working on it. Ok so it is real, and they have a team, but it is illegal. > Most of it is mandated by the regulators, and they have a pretty big legal team (dont make me post their linkedin profiles to prove that a bank has a legal department). Ok so it is real, and they have a team, it is legal, but ...
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Why, why do people do this, why are people defending it? It's mind boggling to me that anyone would try and find a way to make this make sense
  - krolden 3y ago
    This is a capitalist technophile news aggregator owned by a VC firm.
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indrora 3y ago
A friend of mine just recently did a stint with an outside firm that worked with JPMC. She readily confirmed that her JPMC laptop shipped to her via her company's address, and her outside management had informed her to "be careful with it." Her JPMC management told her that she had to put it on a "normal network" after she got a dedicated LTE network for it that was literally only used by that device alone. She was reprimanded for not turning on her webcam during meetings, and JPMC IT emailed her when she physically disconnected the camera on her (outside) management's advice after being (again) reprimanded for working in the nude at her desk in her own home. She said "Sorry the camera just stopped working" and the next day a new machine arrived at her home, the address of which was not given to JPMC at any time. This is how they treat outside contractors. This outside firm has decided to never work with JPMC again and cut off the contract early.

lucozade 3y ago

What is written in that JPM doc is completely standard in banking as it's mandated by most, if not all, regulators. It's not a JPM thing. Some of the items in the original post, like face recognition from internal cameras, are definitely not required. I have no idea whether or not that's actually true though. But what's in that doc about tracking messaging, phones, building access etc is definitely all happening because they absolutely have to and are regularly audited on it.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
>What is written in that JPM doc is completely standard in banking as it's mandated by most, if not all, regulators. It's not a JPM thing. Then maybe lets roll it back for everyone cause it's a total disaster

tootie 3y ago

That sounds like compliance enforcement. Monitoring external communications is more or less required by law to prevent insider trading.

rationalist 3y ago
Does the law say they have to use more invasive technologies than necessary?

halamadrid 3y ago

I can assure you this article is 98% made up stuff. Source: MD at JPMC. WADU exists, but it does nothing even close to what is being made up in this post on reddit. Just because some terms can be cross referenced doesn't mean the entire thing is true. IMO they don't even have the skills to do this even if they wanted to. It almost feels like how Councilman Jamm in the TV show Parks and Recreation convinces the crowd of what he wants with some random arbitrary references to real things while mixing it up so much lies.